Rebecca Quinn, Canadian soccer player, comes out as transgender.

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Rebecca Quinn, Canadian soccer player, comes out as transgender named Quinn, but continues to play for the women’s team. I really don’t understand sports at all. Why haven’t they moved over to the men’s team?

people.com/sports/rebecca-quinn-comes-out-as-transgender/

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/04/quinn-the-olympics-first-out-trans-medalist-aims-for-gold-with-canada

Rebecca Quinn, Canadian soccer player, comes out as transgender named Quinn, but continues to play for the women’s team. I really don’t understand sports at all. Why haven’t they moved over to the men’s team?

Pragmatism?

The State Media covered this in their most recent video

Quinn identifies as non-binary, not male, so presumably could play for either the men or women teams. For reasons, I doubt Quinn would make the male team.

Cheating their way to an Olympic medal, the real spirit of the games.

This has been common knowledge for a while, so not sure why it is being reported as news. Anyway, seems completely fair for Quinn to play on the women’s team, given that there is no reason to classify sport by gender, but there is a need for sex based categories.

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Cheating their way to an Olympic medal, the real spirit of the games.

Cheating how? Quinn’s sex is female.

We don't have non-binary teams, there's no reason to separate people on a person's gender identity, it's their sex that is important.

Quinn is female. Their personal identity beliefs have fuck all to do with their sex, so they are playing on the women's team, as they should be. Complaining about that would be like complaining that one of the team had become a Mormon or something. You might think it was silly, but it's got fuck all to do with what sports team they play on.

I think Gender identity beliefs are utter bullshit, and based in sexism and homophobia. But I think that about many other religious beliefs too. It shouldn't affect what team you play on, sex wise, and it looks like it hasn't. So basically, so what?

Because she's non binary

I quite like it. Makes them the first transgender athlete to compete in the Olympics and first to win a medal. Makes laurel Hubbard just completely meaningless in the course of transhistory.

Provided Quinn isn't taking cross sex hormones that would be considered doping in a woman who identifies as a woman there's no reason why they shouldn't play in the women's team if they want to.

So long as they are categorising themselves according to their biological sex and not their irrelevant personal beliefs about themselves I am ok with this.

Yes, I definitely believe Quinn belongs on the women’s team. But Megan Rapinoe firmly believes TWAW, as does the Olympics committee, hence my confusion as to which team they belong.

I’m struggling with the identifying as Trans. What does it mean in this context. So not TransMan, or TransWoman? Is Trans now non-binary, and what are they transitioning from and to.

Indeed, if people including those of the IOC believe TMAM then how is Rebecca allowed to play in a women’s team?

It’s all rather baffling.

Trans is an umbrella term for an identity movement. Some of the adherents believe they are they opposite 'gender', despite their sex, for which some feel they need to adjust their bodies via medical and surgical intervention, some don't.
A growing amount of adherents of these beliefs believe they are neither man or woman. Some of them have similar physical interventions, some don't, as before.

Of course, if you ask what they mean by man, woman, male or female, or neither, you will be told that sex and/or gender is a malleable thing, completely arbitrary and adjustable and indefined in either biology or cultural definitions.

There are extremes of this, but from what I can tell, most Enbies (non binary) females are trying to side step sexist and often homophobic constrictions. It's sort of like feminism but a supremely individualistic version. Liberal feminism 2.0.

Non binary means they don't see themselves as either male or female, I also don't understand why it is included under the trans umbrella, sometimes NB people will use hormones but there is no transition between genders.

I don't see why she is making history. She is a biological woman who is playing women's sport.l

If Quinn identifies as non binary but doesn’t take testosterone there’s no issue with playing for a women’s team.

In theory I suppose they could play for the men’s but it’s unlikely and there’s no reason to.

Non binary status confers no extra advantage and may (if they bind and suffer side effects) actual may be detrimental to performance. But that’s their call.

"I feel optimistic for change. Change in legislature. Changes in rules, structures, and mindsets."
"Mostly, I feel aware of the realities. Trans girls being banned from sports. Trans women facing discrimination and bias while trying to pursue their Olympic dreams. The fight isn't close to over ... and I'll celebrate when we're all here."

edition.cnn.com/2021/08/05/sport/quinn-canada-sweden-spt-intl/index.html

Well you're either a female non binary person or a male non binary person, so as long as you aren't doping either type should still compete in the team of their biological sex.

A Catholic wouldn't be banned from the Olympics, neither should a gender ideologist.
(So long as they aren't competing in the wrong unfair category such as males in with females...)

There have been multiple posts complaining about people born male but now self-identifying as female playing in women’s sports. If you object to that, I really cannot see how it is possible to also object to someone born female but no longer self-identifying as such playing women’s sports. Either people should be competing with their biological gender or they shouldn’t.

In this case, I don’t think Quinn is taking any sort of hormones / drugs so good luck to them. As they don’t ID as male, there is no reason they should be playing for the male team.

I can’t see how what other people think about TW should be relevant to Quinn. She has a female body and has done since birth and therefore has no arguably unfair advantage over a person self identifying as female.

The people who oppose TW competing in women’s sports claim it’s because they have an unfair advantage due to the effects of testosterone. As Quinn has no such advantage (being biologically female), the only objection to them competing as female I can see is bigotry. Anyone who opposes TW competing in women’s events should be strongly supporting Quinn’s decision to compete as their biological sex.

Sorry, I misgendered in the third paragraph. It should read ‘They have a female body….’

As Quinn is biologically female , I do not understand why anyone would object to their participation in the women's team.
Gender identity is not a synonym for sex. The fact that Quinn is non binary is irrelevant here.

Well, this is a non event thread, isn't it? Reasonable consensus that Quinn can crack on being non binary female on the women's team as long as no performance enhancers are taken, and all is right with the world.

We were supposed to be frothing at the mouth by this point?

To clear up my earlier comment that has raised questions:

When L Hubbard came out as trans the IOC allowed them to compete in the female division of their sport, even though not biologically female.

Now Quinn has come out as trans, yet remain competing in the female division of their sport, why have the IOC not changed Quinn's division to the male class of their chosen sport?

So from where I sit Quinn has remained in the female division as they are more likely to win a medal in that class, Hubbard as an injured 43 year competitor was in the female class as they (wrongly believed or deliberately threw the competition depending on your viewpoint) thought they were more likely to win in that class. So all I see is people picking and choosing the class they are more likely to win medals in, hence my comment about cheating their way to a medal.

Biological woman plays for biological woman's team. No problemo 👌🏻

Biological male plays for biological male team. No problemo.

Biological male plays for biological women's team. Issues with sporting advantage. A problemo. 🤔

Biological woman playing for biological male team. No issue with sporting advantage. No problemo. (This will never happen, who signs up to loose 🤷🏻‍♀️)

I'll send it to the IOC as a brief for their policy documents. 😂 Emojis and all.

Now Quinn has come out as trans, yet remain competing in the female division of their sport, why have the IOC not changed Quinn's division to the male class of their chosen sport?

Quinn doesn't identify as male.

I don't care what Quinn thinks about gender. Plenty of people competing in the Olympics believe things that I don't believe.