Rebecca Quinn, Canadian soccer player, comes out as transgender.

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Rebecca Quinn, Canadian soccer player, comes out as transgender named Quinn, but continues to play for the women’s team. I really don’t understand sports at all. Why haven’t they moved over to the men’s team?

people.com/sports/rebecca-quinn-comes-out-as-transgender/

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/04/quinn-the-olympics-first-out-trans-medalist-aims-for-gold-with-canada

@Dontbeme - Quinn does not identify as male. Therefore, there is no reason they should compete as male since they are not male by anyone’s rules (i.e. whether by self identity or by birth).

I cannot see how it is ‘cheating’ to compete in the class of one’s birth sex - isn’t that the argument being put forward in regard to TW, that it’s cheating not to do so? You can’t have it both ways.

BREAKING NEWS: Biological woman plays for women's sports team.

Obviously there are no issues with her playing for her team. The label itself seems daft though. I'm guessing the idea is "sometimes I wear trousers rather than skirts and I don't always wear nail polish or makeup"---which of course would make pretty much any of us non binary.

"I've lived as an openly trans person with the people I love most for many years, I did always wonder when I'd come out publicly," Rebecca Quinn said in an Instagram post

So what does Trans mean then? What does Quinn mean by being trans, do words mean anything any more?

@Dontbeme

"I've lived as an openly trans person with the people I love most for many years, I did always wonder when I'd come out publicly," Rebecca Quinn said in an Instagram post

So what does Trans mean then? What does Quinn mean by being trans, do words mean anything any more?

No, no they don't. The world's gone mad. I think the tagline is trans can be whatever you want it to be now 🤦🏻‍♀️

So what does Trans mean then? What does Quinn mean by being trans, do words mean anything any more?

That could be a long discussion, but does it matter in this context? Quinn is just as entitled to voice an opinion as anyone else.

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Quinn is biologically female therefore is in the correct category! All good.

It would be good to get some clarity as to whether women’s sport think women’s sports are for people who are biologically female or for people who identify as female. Both this story and the Hubbard story are being hailed as showing sports becoming inclusive, but they are at odds with one another unless you believe that really all ‘woman’ means is non-‘cis’-man. (I know that word is not liked on here but in this context it’s hard to describe well what I mean.)

We’re back to men and non-men.

@Gingerkittykat

Non binary means they don't see themselves as either male or female, I also don't understand why it is included under the trans umbrella, sometimes NB people will use hormones but there is no transition between genders.

I don't see why she is making history. She is a biological woman who is playing women's sport.l

There was a thread about Quinn. No one seemed terribly clear what she had come out as. Like you GingerKitty I don't understand how it is possible to be transgender and non- binary.

In another article Quinn was droning on about not seeing anyone like her- fgs she plays professional football. If she can't see anyone like her , her remedy might be a trip to Specsavers.

@Dontbeme

"I've lived as an openly trans person with the people I love most for many years, I did always wonder when I'd come out publicly," Rebecca Quinn said in an Instagram post

So what does Trans mean then? What does Quinn mean by being trans, do words mean anything any more?

Here it seems to mean absolutely nothing beyond she has cut her long hair.

Both this story and the Hubbard story are being hailed as showing sports becoming inclusive, but they are at odds with one another unless you believe that really all ‘woman’ means is non-‘cis’-man. (I know that word is not liked on here but in this context it’s hard to describe well what I mean.)

We’re back to men and non-men.

This. If Quinn doesn't want to be seen as a women, why be in the women's team? How long before the women category changes names to be 'inclusive' and reflect their non women players? Just like gynaecology literature talks about cervix havers instead of women. But whereas a man is never going to need a hysterectomy, a man can identify as a non binary non man.

Floral had it right. Nonbinary is like a religious or political belief. It has no bearing on anything. She's still a woman and it's quite right for her to compete on the women's team, which should be based on whether someone is a (biological) woman.

I don't believe Quinn should be allowed to rename the women's team, but to be fair, she hasn't tried to do so to the best of my knowledge.

If there were a significant number of NB athletes, perhaps if they wanted they could form a NB team. But why? It would be no more sensible than forming a Christian, Muslim, socialist or conservative team (such teams probably do exist, clubs and churches with their own teams perhaps, but surely at Olympic level part of the whole ideal is to be inclusive). Much better to just define the teams by sex!

It is sort of sad that Quinn feels the need to dissociate herself from womanhood but she has that right.

This. If Quinn doesn't want to be seen as a women, why be in the women's team?

I agree. I actually find Quinn more annoying than Hubbard. You (general you) are unlikely to have any time for Hubbard but it's more logical to me to say "I'm trans, I'm a trans woman, I'm taking oestrogen/ reducing my testosterone, whatever " than Quinn's illogical and meaningless pontificating.

I don't believe Quinn should be allowed to rename the women's team, but to be fair, she hasn't tried to do so to the best of my knowledge.

Women generally don't. Which female person wants to be called a bleeder, for example?

But somehow the word woman is disappearing and is being replaced by other inclusive words, why would sport be the exception?

Meaningless pontificating has been done by men and women forever. Politicians, sports people, entertainers.

They can be Scientologists, Prolifers, Non-Binary, I don't care. I disagree with all their beliefs, but it's only when they attempt to change rules and laws to disadvantage others than I will feel the need to step up and draw a firm line.

Hubbard did. Quinn hasn't. I might think both their personal beliefs about themselves are ridiculous. But to date, only Hubbard pushed a woman out of her rightful place.

Presumably Quinn identifies as transgender ('transitioning' from feminine I suppose) but knows their sex is still female.
It's ok, it's just more egocentric than saying 'gender stereotypes are rubbish for everyone, let's just do away with 'gender'.

I quite like it. Makes them the first transgender athlete to compete in the Olympics and first to win a medal. Makes laurel Hubbard just completely meaningless in the course of transhistory.

Yes... it shows sports can be 'inclusive' without being unfair to women.
Though of course people who are now TW have won medals in the olympics, in their correct sex class.

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twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1423343649333682179

Quinn’s stance on how she describes herself is pure white noise to me. Non binary/shminary.

She is a biological woman, if she qualifies for the women’s team she should play for them.

Quinn can play football in the women's team, what with having a female body. WE all know that.

The question for me is, what does the IOC believe and how do they make decisions? Is it based on bodies or on "gender identity"? It seems the answer is whichever gets the person into the female category.

How can it simultaneously be true that everyone in my screenshot can be placed in the women's category? I guess this is queer theory in action.

[quote AMCoffeePMWine]twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1423343649333682179[/quote]
Helen Joyce is, of course, astute on the obvious media difference.

“The 25-year-old remains eligible to compete in women's sport despite identifying as transgender because gender identity differs from a person's sex - their physical biology.” WE KNOW! WHY DON’T YOU SAY THAT WHEN MALES WANT TO COMPETE AS FEMALES!!

Quinn is a biological female who appears to have had surgery to remove their breasts, judging by a pic uploaded to Instagram. Apart from that, as far as I can see, the news is: biological female plays for women’s team in Olympics.

I read a BBC article about Quinn earlier and was so confused
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/58061475.amp

I don't know how someone can insist they aren't a woman but be happy to play for the women's team
I don't understand why they can't see "people like me" when they are basically an androgynous presenting female like many other female athletes (or women generally)
And I don't understand why this is so groundbreaking "first trans person to win a medal"

It's a total non story, as if Tom Daley came out as a Jedi andwe had a story about "first Jedi to win human olympics"

It's a total non story, as if Tom Daley came out as a Jedi andwe had a story about "first Jedi to win human olympics" confused confused

We did have lots of stories about him knitting, which was supposed to be groundbreaking in someway - the first knitting diver to win a medal.

@QuentinBunbury

I read a BBC article about Quinn earlier and was so confused www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/58061475.amp

I don't know how someone can insist they aren't a woman but be happy to play for the women's team
I don't understand why they can't see "people like me" when they are basically an androgynous presenting female like many other female athletes (or women generally)
And I don't understand why this is so groundbreaking "first trans person to win a medal"

It's a total non story, as if Tom Daley came out as a Jedi andwe had a story about "first Jedi to win human olympics"

Agree with every word. What a fuss about nothing.

I don’t object to a biological woman playing sport in a team for biological women.

I do object to the utter hypocrisy of gender ideologues who insist TWAW and TMAM and it’s only your gender identity that matters, having no problem with - in fact celebrating - someone who no longer identifies as a woman continuing to play on a team for women.

Either gender identity trumps all, or sex matters. But they’re having their cake and eating it with a cherry-identifying radish on top.