Speakers Corner: Woman attacked with a knife.

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57965251

A woman has been slashed with a knife at Speakers' Corner in London's Hyde Park, police have said.
The 39-year-old was taken to hospital after the attack on Sunday afternoon at the site, where people gather for public speeches and debates.
The Metropolitan Police said she received a minor slash injury to the head, which was not life-threatening.
Footage shared on social media shows someone dressed in black approaching a woman wearing a Charlie Hebdo T-shirt.

Precipice

Surely most speakers at Speakers' Corner are unlikely to find converts and will in fact make people annoyed or angry instead?

I respectfully disagree.

Uncommon Ground Media
Stella Perrett
June 21, 2021
(extract)
"This was my third visit to Speakers’ Corner, to hear Kellie-Jay Keen and others who, since my own cancellation and introduction to Radical Feminism, I now count as my friends.

I spoke briefly, it was a cold wet day, and we headed off to the pub by 2 pm.

A great time was had by all, with no opposition or antagonism, apart from a nervous policeman flapping around us, mumbling through his mask about Covid restrictions.

The reason he was so edgy became obvious to me the next day, when I saw online footage of Christian preacher Hatun Tash, being aggressively mobbed by Islamists and escorted out of the park by the police.

This fracas occurred only a couple of hours after we had left the Park.

This has become a regular occurrence at Speakers’ Corner, and the police tread a fine line between protecting diminutive Hatun, guaranteeing everyone’s right to free expression under the Public Order Act Section 29J, and preventing violence.

Hatun uses the Charlie Hebdo “Muhammed” cartoons to point out the absurdity of our police protecting those alleging blasphemy against “The Prophet” in a country without a crime of blasphemy; yet the complete freedom we have to poke fun at our own state religion, Christianity. (continues)

Back in November 2020, Hatun was knocked unconscious by her opponents at this iconic space for Freedom of Speech.

But there has been almost no press coverage.

There are no marches for Hatun.

The only support for her is coming from right wing media, because they are more likely to share her Christian values, which puts off atheist feminists who cannot bear the idea of working “across the aisle”.

There is even a petition to have her permanently banned from Speakers’ Corner, with no noticable protest from the “Women’s Movement”. (continues)
uncommongroundmedia.com/the-bravest-women-in-britain-speakers-corner/

@theThreeofWeevils

Doesn't the above verbosity boil down to "She was asking for it and anyway it was probably staged/fake news"? Or have I missed something?

Exactly. “This didn’t happen. And even if it had, she was asking for it”. Now, where have we heard that before?

Most people, including Muslims, are capable of avoiding or ignoring those who are criticising or mocking their beliefs. Those who think it's acceptable to react violently in such situations are wholly to blame, irrespective of what someone was wearing or saying.

It doesn't matter what she was wearing.

It doesn't matter what she was saying.

It doesn't matter if she pisses people off.

A woman was stabbed in broad daylight while exercising her right to speak freely.

Women are repeatedly being attacked - verbally and physically - for speaking freely about what matters to them. And a lot of people seem to think this is okay.

I am properly shocked that anyone thinks a woman deserves to be stabbed for wearing a t-shirt and speaking.

I mean, the police were there, so if anyone felt she was breaking the law by inciting violence they could have recorded her speech then shown it to the police.

There is no excuse for the violence against this woman.

If we allow people to be silenced because some other people might get violent if they are allowed to speak, where do you think that leads?

We do allow this. But only if the person speaking is inciting violence to others, not if the violence is people trying to shut them up.

Excellent post @ROwantrees

I’m personally baffled as to why there is almost total media silence around this event - especially in comparison to the veritable media blizzard on behalf of the three England players a couple of weeks back. This is far more serious.

Many former Muslims live in fear of attack or worse from their erstwhile co-religionists - male and female, and this includes notables such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

It’s an issue with Islam, as similar patterns can be observed around the world and the victims are often female. Massive credit to Hatun Tash - she really is a hero. My only fear is that next time they will do the job properly.

[quote ArabellaScott]This has happened before. I know nothing about who this person is who has made the video, btw, just sharing as it contains footage of Hatun Tash being attacked at Speaker's corner last year.

[/quote] Hey there! @ArabellaScott I just want to say please be mindful before sharing videos from a right wing extremist on here! :) i know you probably didn't know but that guy incites violence against jews and also muslims.

I know it was just to share a previous event, but he does not show the other side which is she has tommy robinson EDL people going around with her at speakers corner trying to insight muslims and jews.

Obviously any violence is wrong and the guy who stabbed her - actually claims he is christian so i'm not actually quite sure what is going on although i hope whoever he was is brought to justice.

[quote hoodathunkit]There is backstory to this event.

The attacked woman has been removed from Speaker's Corner previously by the police.

Of course nobody should be going round stabbing anyone. Obviously.

I just watched this video which shows the woman being attacked (stabbed?) in the background. It happens very quickly and it is difficult to see what it going on.

Later on the woman can be seen with a bloody face and a group of concerned people surround her and try to help her. At least one of them appears to be Muslim. Other Muslims appear concerned for the woman's welfare and ask if she is OK.

The woman is accompanied by a group of Islamaphobic men who shout provocative statements at the Muslims in the immediate area, demanding that they leave.

The woman is a member of a church called Defend Christ, Critique Islam (DCCI) Ministries, who claim that

Our motivation is a love for Muslims to bring them to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ in order to attain eternal life.

website here

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210125131236/www.dcciministries.com/about/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210125131236/www.dcciministries.com/about/

sample page of interest

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210301043820/www.dcciministries.com/miracle-scandal-pregnant-4-years/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210301043820/www.dcciministries.com/miracle-scandal-pregnant-4-years/

This appears to be an extremely divisive organisation whose activities include attending debates between Muslims at Speaker's Corner and behaving in a provocative and inciting manner.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not claiming that she should be stabbed.

I am concerned about the nature of the church she belongs to an its activities, which seem to be straight out of active measures.

The alt-right website Brietbart was quick to publish a piece on this assault
archived here
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this is very true, as i mentioned EDL tommy robinson supporters are seen with her going round in speakers corner being Islamophobic and anti semitic and inciting people.

Of course nobody should be going round stabbing anyone.
however the backstory and what they've deliberately been doing to incite people and get a reaction is a bit out of order if you ask me and illegal.

however the backstory and what they've deliberately been doing to incite people and get a reaction is a bit out of order if you ask me and illegal.

I understand that the police have attended these incidents, so I assume if she was doing anything illegal she would have been arrested and charged.

*Hey there!
@ArabellaScott
I just want to say please be mindful before sharing videos from a right wing extremist on here! smile i know you probably didn't know but that guy incites violence against jews and also muslims.

I know it was just to share a previous event, but he does not show the other side which is she has tommy robinson EDL people going around with her at speakers corner trying to insight muslims and jews.

Obviously any violence is wrong and the guy who stabbed her - actually claims he is christian so i'm not actually quite sure what is going on although i hope whoever he was is brought to justice.*

If you know of a video inciting violence against anyone, please report it to youtube and/or the police. I have no time to watch all his videos right now.

Thanks.

@OldCrone

however the backstory and what they've deliberately been doing to incite people and get a reaction is a bit out of order if you ask me and illegal.

I understand that the police have attended these incidents, so I assume if she was doing anything illegal she would have been arrested and charged.

I mean she's been arrested several times, not charged because it is speakers corner as you well know.

She's been arrested because there was fear of public disorder and everyone was told to leave the area however she refused. she was arrested but not charged. (warning: many people are using language.)

YES VIOLENCE IS WRONG. but if i went to a public and started talking about someone's mum to their face and being really derogatory and disgusting and rude am i just gonna stand there and expect nothing back? whether bad words back or violence, and if i did get punched by that person and called the police. They would still get a punishment however lesser because of my provocation

Men are derogatory, disgusting and rude about women to their faces, in public places, up and down the country, every day. They expect nothing back.

So yes, I expect people to remain calm when they see a woman wearing a t-shirt advertising a French magazine, or a defaced book.

If this is something you cannot manage, see your GP for advice.

MSM starting to report on this

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9830269/Woman-stabbed-Speakers-Corner-revealed-Christian-preacher.html

I expect people to remain calm when they see a woman wearing a t-shirt advertising a French magazine, or a defaced book.

Absolutely.

I don't give crap what she wears, what she does to books other people think highly of, or what other men do that she knows.

Seriously, fuck off with this violence apologism. Saying 'Yes, it's wrong to hit people but...' is bullshit. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You don't think it's wrong that she was attacked. You think she provoked and deserved it. Your opinions disgust me, but somehow, even if you were right in front of me, I would manage to disagree without beating you. Absolutely disgraceful.

Yeah, I got the message from the violence apologism before you started using misogynist insults. You do know you're on the feminist board, right?

Jesus wept. Always with the 'be polite' before calling a woman a bitch and a liar. Speaks for itself, really.

And I'm sure it may have been a typo, but yeah, picked up that you '100% condone violence', cheers.

How depressingly predictable. Away you go, Bushkiboo.

I'm going to use my freedom of speech to say you're still saying a woman's words and clothing made a man hurt her.

I suppose it's escaped you, but knives don't coalesce out of thin air. The man who stabbed her brought it with him from home as a deliberate choice before he ever saw her. (Likely breaking the law for that alone.) This is a premeditated act of violence, and you're nitpicking and trying to imply she was exaggerating her injuries?

He stabbed her!

Where is your line? What would this man have to do before you could condemn him for attacking her without disclaimers?

She's an extremist. I don't condone violence in any circumstance, but this was not some random woman exercising her right to free speech, it is a woman who preaches hate and identifies with various other hate preachers.

Is violence wrong? Yes. Is this woman a hero, someone to be idolised? Definitely not.