crowdfunding for mastectomies

[howard97A]

I recently read a post that said there were 35,000 current crowdfunders for mastectomies.

I can't now find the post, and i can't find a source that quotes that figure.

Can anyone direct me to the post, or to a source?

That surgeon isn't doing those mastectomies out of the goodness of his heart. He, and many like him, is doing it for profit and that tweet is a marketing exercise to encourage others to buy his product. No different to a second-hand car or timeshare salesman.

To those talking about suicide risk, the only trans young person i have had any direct experience of was supported by family friends and school to transition, they still committed suicide and then the young persons mother also committed suicide. I often think of the surviving family members and what they must be going through.

@FannyCann the picture of that surgeon is so gross. Those poor women.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes - I will be quoting you - If women can have penises, why can't men have breasts?

Why doesn't this get asked more often? If TW can just 'be' women, no surgery, nothing, then women can do it too. No mastectomies required.

But we know that it is a societal obsession with breasts. Or, to put it another way, a male obsession with breasts. Which is why these poor, confused young girls feel the need to have theirs removed, to stop themselves being oggled.

From a cosmetic surgeons perspective, regret is another operation and another opportunity to make money. Win win.

If we should all butt out because this is people's bodily autonomy and none of our business, why do we (society/the medical profession) not leave people with anorexia to starve themselves? Why are they not sent away with a strict diet plan to restrict themselves to half a piece of fruit every other day?

Why are we repeatedly told that this surgery is 'life-saving' and without it these girls and young women will die, when a) suicidal ideation of young people who identity as trans is broadly in line with suicidal ideation of their contemporaries (because going through puberty and learning more about the world is hard, regardless of how you identify) and b) suicidal ideation increases after SRS.

Why are we repeatedly told that identifying as trans is not a mental illness, yet at the same time threatened that thousands of young people will commit suicide if they don't receive the experimental 'treatment', including radical surgery, for their transgenderism?

Why can none of the advocates for this 'treatment' ever see the contradictions, illogicality and hypocrisy in what they say and what they promote?

Why can none of the advocates for this 'treatment' ever see the contradictions, illogicality and hypocrisy in what they say and what they promote?

Great questions that I rarely see even attempted to be answered.

The cognitive dissonance has to be very high for many people.

Why? What is the problem even if its 50,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 young women are having this surgery if its lifesaving? If the treatment works and is essential then why does it matter how many people are raising money for it?

1). Because there is no evidence that it is life saving and but there is evidence that some regret this surgery.

2). There is concern about regulation of all types of plastic surgery.

We need to leave people alone, stop bothering people - those seeking removal of any kind are not harming YOU. What any of us wish to do or not do to our bodies does not need scrutinising by folks we've never met.

Except it does need scrutinising.

Butt implants, top surgery, diet pills - it’s all the same. Monetising the dream that people can find happiness by changing their appearance.

It all needs regulation.

Yes indeed, @merrymouse. And it needs the General Medical Council to get off that fence, & pull their heads out of the sand.

Why can't these medics and drug-pushers (of puberty blockers) be prosecuted (I'm UK, I know that America has a problem with prosecutions being time-barred). Why doesn't the GMC strike them off?

Whatever happened to 'do no harm'???

Noticeable as well that many females who id as non binary also feel the need to chop off their breasts. I wonder how many non binary males would want their penis and testicles removed - I’d hazard a guess at close to zero.

Wanting to remove healthy body parts is a mental illness. There. I've said it.

It requires therapy, not a mastectomy.

If tens of thousands of people were suddenly setting up crowdfunders to have their healthy and functioning feet removed, I think there would be calls to look into the causes.

@Ghislainedefeligonde

Noticeable as well that many females who id as non binary also feel the need to chop off their breasts. I wonder how many non binary males would want their penis and testicles removed - I’d hazard a guess at close to zero.

So female non-binaries may spend thousands of pounds and immense emotional energy on procedures to modify their appearance? Even though these procedures may cause chronic pain and perhaps even limit arm function?

In my experience, some males who identify as non-binary don't even feel compelled to shave their faces each day.

These situations are not symmetrical, are they?

That's exactly what I just said, @EishetChayil

• but my post has just been deleted

So I assume that we are not allowed to say that?

• I didn't know. And I try SO hard to keep within the guidelines

It’s reasonable to argue that adults should be able to modify their bodies if they understand the consequences and limitations of what they are doing.

However talk of these surgeries being ‘lifesaving’ very much indicates a misunderstanding of what surgery can accomplish.

It can’t change somebody’s sex.

It can’t create affirmation from others - or solve the problem that a belief that well being should
depend on the validation of of a particular identity is fundamentally flawed.

We may be talking about adults in law, @merrymouse (ie over 18s). But we know that the teenage brain is not fully formed until nearer 25.
Also, some (many??) of these individuals have had their brain development 'paused' (the word used by the Tavistock et al, not my choice of word).
So it's NOT a reasonable, mature decision.
The medics must know this.

We may be talking about adults in law, @merrymouse* (ie over 18s). But we know that the teenage brain is not fully formed until nearer 25.
Also, some (many??) of these individuals have had their brain development 'paused' (the word used by the Tavistock et al, not my choice of word).*

Which all indicates failure of the ‘understands limitations and consequences test’.

Something to think about.

twitter.com/ScottNewgent/status/1419027504057262081?s=19

That is a very concerning tweet Potholes.

If a 48 year old woman wants to have liposuction or a face lift or breast augmentation, then I have no problem with that. It might not be what I'd choose for myself but it's their choice. But 12 year old girls binding and 19 year olds saving to have healthy breasts removed? That should be everones business. How have we let our society get to a point where girls are so unhappy in their bodies? And instead of trying to help them learn to love themselves, why we are paying for them to make permanent, painful and life-limiting changes to their healthy bodies?

The reason why many of us here worry is because, as the name of this site suggests, many of us are mothers, and we have children who have to grow up in this shitshow.

I w a vague memory of news reports from a few years back stating that girls with body image issues are getting younger and younger.

I think it was around weight, but there’s been such a focus on girls/women’s bodies being sexualised even more it seems another pressure on young girls.

I wonder how this ties in.