2 Teachers in the US fired for speaking out about gender identity

[Mulletsaremisunderstood]

More bullsh!t from the US. I just wanted to post this as another response to 'that will never happen'. Women are losing their jobs for this.

The article is from the brilliant 4W feminist site about 2 teachers in the US who were fired because they started a campaign to keep school toilets single sex.

4w.pub/two-oregon-educators-fired-after-speaking-out-about-gender-identity-policies/

North Middle School Assistant Principal, Rachel Damiano, and 7th-grade science teacher, Katie Medart, were fired at a public hearing of the Grants Pass 7 school district in Oregon on Thursday. The two women were each terminated by a 4-3 vote of the board after hours of statements, questioning, and debate.

Rachel and Katie were accused of using school district time or resources in the creation or promotion of “I Resolve,” a grassroots movement founded by the two educators which proposes “solutions for education policies” to address the conflict of rights arising from new “gender identity” laws and policies impacting schools in Oregon and across the country. In March, the two posted a video on Youtube describing their proposal, which includes separating school bathrooms by physical anatomy.

If anyone in the US wants to support them, they founded a movement called I Resolve www.iresolvemovement.com/ in an effort to find reasonable solutions to the mess that's going on over there, mainly focusing on education.

The website is pretty new, so there's not much on there but you can support them by buying t-shirts.

*RobinMoiraWhite

ValancyRedfern

I saw this. Terrifying. Especially as I am a teacher who speaks out against gender ideology.

I would reccomend a degree of caution in speaking of a protected characteristic possessed by real people as an 'ideology' and thinking that will be consequence-free*

Why? What is going to happen, then?

People speak out constantly about issues such as religion, politics, climate change, being a vegan - what sets this issue apart?

I doubt we shall be taking advice from a lawyer who can't even spell.

Interesting…. So now under 18’s who cannot get a GRC are in a protected category? You are warning a teacher to be careful and not one of those pupils under the age of 18 will have a GRC.

More wishful application of law.

Wishful application of the law seems to be a feature for some of these people. Fake it til you make it, as the saying goes.

But there is nothing at all sinister about a ‘known’ lawyer issuing warnings on a forum board discussing the negative impacts of a group they belong to on the rights of women and girls to overcome a millennia of sexist discrimination because of our female bodies.

Nothing sinister at all, all par for course it seems with pipe-bomb threats, women’s employers being tweeted to ‘bring their wrongthink’ to attention with pressure to do something about it, nine year old girls being told they shouldn’t look at a male penis exposed in a female naked section of a spa….

Gosh… whoodathunkit.

@JonBinary

Wishful application of the law seems to be a feature for some of these people. Fake it til you make it, as the saying goes.

I read that as 'wistful' - I genuinely need to take the time for a prescription change.

Now, I only have a tiny little ladybrain and so should probably just laugh a tinkly little laugh and not bother my pretty little head about it any further, but…

If it is so, so difficult to determine who and what a woman is, because of this formless, shifting constellation, this unknowable essence, etc….how is it that when it comes to knowing who to sack and who to silence, it’s unerringly always women copping it?

It certainly seems odd that a lawyer would be here prowling the boards and speaking in this threatening tone towards women. About an ideology that flies in the face of children's safeguards. Having searched it seems that this is by no means the first time they have done this. Seems to me that they should start educating themselves about the bigger picture.

Wistful application of the law sounds about right embarrassing.

@RobinMoiraWhite
I would reccomend a degree of caution in speaking of a protected characteristic possessed by real people as an 'ideology' and thinking that will be consequence-free

The protected characteristic is gender reassignment. The belief in any ideology is a different protected characteristic, that of a religious belief and the belief that gender ideology is harmful also falls under this PC as the recent Maya Forstater case proved. As such, one cannot, in this country, be penalised in any way for ones belief in the harm gender ideology does to women and children in particular.

I'd be more worried about teachers who didn't speak out.

If teachers were prepared to go akd supervise PE changing , knowing full well tested could be naked or half dressed members of the opposite sex there then that would he a red flag.

Most teachers would not dream.of putting themselves in that position. To.protect children trans or otherwise and themselves.

It’s getting almost quaint now, this insistence that we can’t speak about the obvious conflict of rights, with subtle threats implied for disobedience.

It’s very 2019. Things have changed.

I think it’s interesting which threads certain legal visitors chose to pop on & the tone that they use

Can only assume tjey have to be so choosey because the rest of the time they’re on male dominated forums telling men to be kind & scolding them for not understanding the law

@JonBinary

It certainly seems odd that a lawyer would be here prowling the boards and speaking in this threatening tone towards women. About an ideology that flies in the face of children's safeguards. Having searched it seems that this is by no means the first time they have done this. Seems to me that they should start educating themselves about the bigger picture.

The behaviour of Robin here and on Twitter is not what you’d expect of a decent practising lawyer.

It certainly isn't leafstamp. Absolutely shocking behaviour.

It is surprising to see that such a legal mind has not been visiting the thread about the Californian female prisoners and vowing to fight for the females in UK prisons to make sure no more male’s are put into female prisons.

After all, they have been ‘noted’ for working for women’s equality.

But no, just popping on to silence teachers. And women.

@Sophoclesthefox

It’s getting almost quaint now, this insistence that we can’t speak about the obvious conflict of rights, with subtle threats implied for disobedience.

It’s very 2019. Things have changed.

Yes. We have legal precedent now.

Gender critical beliefs are worthy of respect.

I mean, it was always people who were protected from discrimination, not ideas. But thankfully recent legal cases have made it crystal clear.

'No Debate' is very much over.

@Helleofabore

It is surprising to see that such a legal mind has not been visiting the thread about the Californian female prisoners and vowing to fight for the females in UK prisons to make sure no more male’s are put into female prisons.

After all, they have been ‘noted’ for working for women’s equality.

But no, just popping on to silence teachers. And women.

They avoid those threads like the plague, as do all the allies we get in here, wonder why.

What no 'It's a hoax'?
No 'They're in the pay of the far right'?
Not even a 'Buy my book if you want to know the answer'?
Just straight to not so thinly veiled threats?
Really?
I miss Robin's car anecdotes. They were quite fun.

Is this advice being made as one MN member to another? Or, with respect to your professional standing, is this to be interpreted as legal advice

IIRC Robin has made it very clear in the past that Robin doesn't come to MN to give free legal advice.

I wonder if Robin gets the protected characteristics wrong in Robin's recent book? (Did you know Robin had written a book?) Alas I shall never know.

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Gender identity isn't a protected characteristic in the UK, as PP have said, but in any case, this is about the US, where it's also not a protected characteristic.

Now, I’m no lawyer but even I know that gender and gender identity are not protected characteristics in the UK. I find it quite remiss that someone who’s job is to know the law seems to have forgotten that fact.

Anyway, I hope the richly deserved spanking has been appreciated.

Can we talk about the women being economically punished for knowing what reality is? Apparently by men too stupid to listen, read, or understand what they're dealing with, as well as craven ideologues.

@FloralBunting

Anyway, I hope the richly deserved spanking has been appreciated.

Can we talk about the women being economically punished for knowing what reality is? Apparently by men too stupid to listen, read, or understand what they're dealing with, as well as craven ideologues.

Oh Mum do we have to?