It's now on MSM - Laurel Hubbard

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-in-eye-of-the-storm-at-toyko-olympics-zstnnk729

I saw last night that Al Jazeera had Laurel Hubbard in the strapline but didn't wait to see the news item. This now means it's worldwide and in countries where there would be very strong objections. I wonder how this will pan out

potniatheron

Ah, yes, I agree. I pointed out that Semenya was male because many people don't realise and think it's just being mean about a butch woman. Their marketing team appears to have done a pretty good job.

The IOC seems to be ideologically captured.

They should certainly separate people with DSDs from trans people though. The conflating of the two looks deliberate across the board.

And I think that it the marketing team needs to be held responsible for the harm that they are inflicting on women's sports through their constant sleight of hand.

So many people think that these males with differences in sex development are actually females because media and spokespeople are perpetuating this line. To garner public support.

We have seen it on so many threads. The women being left out of the olympics because of their 'naturally' high testosterone. Fuck that. Just tell people the truth.

Hubbard's inclusion is seen as a milestone for trans equality and many have praised the International Olympic Committee's inclusive policies and the New Zealand organising committee for her selection

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57836107

not a single word to the contrary view

The media thinks we're stupid. I despair. So much has been going on behind the scenes, so that when it becomes visible, we are on the back foot. What worries me is that this Olympics is like no other and I wonder if there was hope this would go under the radar. Guess that hasn't happened

I haven't rtft but I was talking to a friend about Laurel Hubbard, and her opinion was simply 'aww, she just wants to join in'.
Typically, she shut me down when I ever so gently attempted to explain.

@Datun

potniatheron

Ah, yes, I agree. I pointed out that Semenya was male because many people don't realise and think it's just being mean about a butch woman. Their marketing team appears to have done a pretty good job.

The IOC seems to be ideologically captured.

They should certainly separate people with DSDs from trans people though. The conflating of the two looks deliberate across the board.

Agreed, Datun. Also Caster's PR team did a good job in bringing race into it. They have consistently claimed or implied that people complaining about Caster is a form of white supremacy because butch black women are not seen as real women by white supremacists.

Very clever gaslighting tactics to make people shut up and stop complaining and pointing out the truth.

Here's what the Radio Times has to say

How many athletes make their Olympic debut in their 40s?

feministpost.it/magazine/english/24-italian-female-athletes-take-legal-action-against-male-ultra-athletes-in-their-sports/

I haven't rtft but I was talking to a friend about Laurel Hubbard, and her opinion was simply 'aww, she just wants to join in'.

It's the fucking Olympics! Not a KS1 sports day event!

@OldChinaJug

I haven't rtft but I was talking to a friend about Laurel Hubbard, and her opinion was simply 'aww, she just wants to join in'.

It's the fucking Olympics! Not a KS1 sports day event!

I know! Ridiculous!

@Davros

Here's what the Radio Times has to say

Well he's not a woman so yeah it's gonna remain an issue. The issue being a man is cheating by entering against women, probably as he couldn't win against other men 🤷🏻‍♀️

@OldChinaJug

I haven't rtft but I was talking to a friend about Laurel Hubbard, and her opinion was simply 'aww, she just wants to join in'.

It's the fucking Olympics! Not a KS1 sports day event!

Just wants to join in? Sweet, I’m going to rock up at my nearest primary school sports day and join in. That’ll be fine right?

Actually thinking about it I’d quite like to go to the Olympics. Maybe I’ll join in too. I’m relatively fit but maybe not olympic standard. I’ll identify as disabled though and pop along to the Paralympics instead. Nobody will mind will they? I just want to join in!

'aww, she just wants to join in'.

She thinks Hubbard is a 40 -something yr old toddler then. FFS.

Transwomen should not be in women's sport. Simple. Full stop.

The situation for athletes who have a DSD (disorder of sexual development) needs individual assessment. These conditions are diverse, medically complicated and are simply not comparable to the trans population.

Having a child with a DSD, or finding out as a teenager that you have a DSD, can be a frightening and confusing experience. Please don't confuse their situation with the like of LH and the like.

I don't think anyone is confusing them, but there are similar issues in respect of fairness.

The fact that 3 XY DSD females came first in the 800m world championships in Canada, does support that they are at an advantage.

The publicity skews public opinion by claiming female sex. They present physically as female, but are genetically male and go through male type puberty.

Will there be any women left in women's sports in 10 years?

Iwan Thomas on GBN just now. In short, he doesn´t think it's fair.

(He phrased everything carefully.)

@lompolo

Transwomen should not be in women's sport. Simple. Full stop.

The situation for athletes who have a DSD (disorder of sexual development) needs individual assessment. These conditions are diverse, medically complicated and are simply not comparable to the trans population.

Having a child with a DSD, or finding out as a teenager that you have a DSD, can be a frightening and confusing experience. Please don't confuse their situation with the like of LH and the like.

Female athletes with DSDs need consideration of their place in women’s sport with individual assessment.

Male athletes with DSDs do not belong in women’s sport, because they are male.

The situation is comparative because although Semenya found out about being male as a teenager, zero fucks were given about the women who would lose out to Semenya over the following ten years, because it was deemed Semenya’s feelings and individual rights were more important. Which is just like what’s happening with Hubbard.

My comment was that those with a DSD need INDIVIDUAL assessment as not all these conditions result in the physical advantages of a male puberty.

male puberty requires you
A) to produce testosterone and B) to react to that testosterone.

Whilst CS does appear to have benefited from a male puberty, XY females with some other DSD's will not.

There are XY females who have typical female genitalia including vagina, womb and Fallopian tubes. Their physical appearance is female, their genitalia are female. They have normal female sexual function. They can have IVF with donated eggs to carry and give birth to a baby. They do not have testes and will never undergo a male puberty. Why should they be banned from women's sport?

That condition, Swyer syndrome, is incredibly rare, and in that instance an individual assessment would be reasonable. But all other DSDs proffer advantage, including CAIS.

Sport should start with the presumption that XY isn’t eligible and the individual with something rare like Swyer can argue their case to be included in women’s sport, not start with the presumption that XY is eligible because of errors in paperwork or identity and argue them out of women’s sport.