Jeremy Vine Show Radio 2 Now

[JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon]

JV is talking about transphobia and "exclusionary" language like "woman" and "pregnant women'

If you watch Jeremy on his c5 show he shows his true feelings on matters. On the BBC he won’t have an opinion.

Given the circumstances though with workers being off sick or isolating I can't see why everyone should clear up after themselves. The idea of leaving a toilet unfit for use is disgusting anyway.

And yes, everyone seems to know what a woman is when it comes to cleaning public toilets.

Actually I think I got the name wrong, it's Chay Brown not Shae. And yes Chay insisted that Chay is an adult human male.

Was that Chay Brown from TransActual?

If so, then they’re supposed to be an “educator”, and surely that’s a bit of a worry if Chay is promoting ignoring biology when it comes to healthcare?

I listened in the car hoping it would make things clearer, as tbh I don't really understand the terminology. It didn't... in fact I thought whoever JV was talking to sounded more confused than me!

Surely a woman is a woman, no matter what else she thinks she is or tries to be. Same for men? Or is that view going to get me hounded off MN

@AngeloMysterioso

Did I hear correctly that the Trans man didn’t want to be called a trans man because he was an actual man!

Yep. Talking about how confused “he” would be if “he” were invited for a healthcare appointment that is for women because “he’s a man”.

I mean if Shae doesn’t know that Shae has a female body and will therefore be in need of female specific healthcare from time to time then Shae is fucking stupid.

This is actually really, really sad.

This person needs psychological help.

Their life could literally be at risk if they refuse to accept the reality of their biology.

But Chay said that they had had an abnormal cervical smear. So knows that they have a woman's biology even though they are a man. However the term trans man explains everything, and I understand that and respect the terms trans man and trans woman.

It all got a bit confused.

I’ll probably get banned for saying this, but if someone with a bio female body calls themselves male, not trans male. Is this not a mental health issue. Needing treatment for a cervical cancer or whatever and saying they were a man, not a trans man is very confusing and I feel for the medical staff having to tip toe around the fact.

Maybe I haven’t put this as delicately as I should. I struggle to get my head around this really.

Bea did mention that Stonewall are actively telling corporations and organisation to take out “gendered language” and instead use “patent” “birthing person” etc. It’s a shame more wasn’t made of this, because it really did make a nonsense of the Trans person’s repeated argument that “no one is trying to remove the word Mother or Woman”

Yes they bloody well are!

*parent

Apparently today is Non-Binary awareness week and so my public sector workplace are bombarding us with daily awareness emails.
From today's email, on 'stepping up as an ally':
-introduce yourself with name and pronoun
-put pronouns in email signature
-avoid gendered language like ladies and gentlemen, say 'folks' or 'pals' instead.
-provide alternative titles such as Mx.
-use 'their' instead of his/her.
-avoid words define relationship and gender, instead focus on the relationship eg 'parent'.
-make sure that your workplace/school is using inclusive language and avoiding sentences that imply two genders.
They put forward Sam Smith as a fantastic non-Binary role model.
From Stonewall, of course.

Times in my life I've been a non menstruator before age 12.5, after age 49, while pregnant, while using certain types of contraception.
Times in my life I've not been female - none.
Clear language is important.

Good choice Bellend. I just love it when a plan comes together. All we need are all the idiots trying to work out TWAW within intersectional feminism and how this translates into actual lived reality and we'll have cracked it.......oh just a sec, we already have that

I didn't @BeIIend, but how telling we all know what a woman is when it comes to who cleans out the shitty toilets!

Gender should have fuck all to do with medical appointments based on sex. As an aside I really wish they'd stop chucking non binary into everything, it means bugger all. Well, to females who choose non binary I suspect a lot of it is trying to escape the unrealistic expectations on girls and women today, along with VAWG and the sexual expectations of porn addled men. For males who choose it, get some they/them pronouns, say you aren't a male really, (but carry on retaining all that lovely male privilege), and identify your way into women's spaces.

The thing that bugs me most is that we are told we are guilty of "wrong think." So having a live-and-let-live attitude just isn't enough; the only thing that certain people want is for us to believe and know that transmen are women.

I was brought up in the Catholic faith and of course a similar thing happens there - you are told what to believe and told you are wrong if you don't believe it. It's indoctrination.

It's odd that the TW movement thinks of itself as so liberal when they are simultaneously trying to indoctrinate society into believing something they actually know to be false.

My DH and I were trying to think of what the kids should call us if we all went gender neutral.

Parent with Penis does not role off the tongue, so we went with Dicky.

You can’t ignore basic biology.

I’m a woman. Not “a person who has a cervix”. I find that phrase deeply offensive.

The tag line on my lil-ets packaging says “made by women, for women”.

@quiteathome

My DH and I were trying to think of what the kids should call us if we all went gender neutral.

Parent with Penis does not role off the tongue, so we went with Dicky.

Penis Person was mentioned on the radio.

As for a new word for them for mother. It was hard

DH heard it. He's finally woken up to what's going on. That, coupled with the picture of the 'woman' in Canada who attacked a child has caused the scales to fall from his eyes.
I really hope lots of normal non social media heard this and are as stunned as DH

Please can someone explain - I’m being encouraged to put pro nouns in my email, but on the other hand we are to use non gendered language. But aren’t those things contradictory? I don’t understand!

Welcome to the lack of logic, @blackandwhitehorse

I heard a bit of this in the car and what jumped out at me was when Milli Hill described the violent threats, abuse and trolling she has endured for talking about obstetric violence as something that happens to women, and Jeremy Vine brushed it off as if it was utterly inconsequential and moved along with indecent haste to the next lovely caller with a lovely non-binary child who was there to support lovely inclusiveness, and JV could go back to using his Special Soft Voice.

That is why we're having this conversation, Jezza you knob. Violence against women in childbirth? Violent threats to women who talk about it? Yeah, whatever - nothing to see here. Hurt feelings of the most marginalised group ever? THIS IS INTOLERABLE.

Do not think, just do.

@Blackandwhitehorse

Please can someone explain - I’m being encouraged to put pro nouns in my email, but on the other hand we are to use non gendered language. But aren’t those things contradictory? I don’t understand!

They want you to pretend that you can't tell the sex of someone so can't complain if they make you feel uncomfortable

They want to remind you every days that you are female to ensure you underperform