Emma Corrin daily mail

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Has anyone seen this- the photo certainly seem to glamourise chest binding. I’m really shocked even allowing for it being daily Mail- how do you get them to take down pictures
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9758967/Emma-Corrin-recalls-buying-binder-details-intimate-journey.html

Intimate journey my arse! All over instagram isn’t intimate. Irresponsible , attention seeking dangerous behaviour.

Not RTFT looked at the pics.

The binder doesn't look very tight. To me.

And what the photos do look like are 'sexy bondage' pics.

The fact she also posed without anything on her top half seems at odds with the reason binders are worn.

Just reads like sexy photo shoot TBH.

And of course women/ especially those in the public eye do sexy shoots all the time and that's not remarkable.

(Why is another thread!).

'She wrote: 'We used boxing wrap, thanks for capturing this with me, very intimate, very new, very cool. It's all a journey right. Lots of twists and turns and change and that's ok! Embrace it.'

Sounds like she's experimenting with looks/ ideas/ etc. It's cool?

That's not s great message. I would imagine she hasn't looked into it and seen the multiple harms and etc.

Also not being funny but she's not got big breasts in the first place.

We all know that breasts signal 'gender' in this current movement-
Non binary girls want to hide or remove them (male as default)
Trans males do see getting breasts as a massive deal

The other day on here a trans poster flagged it as THE thing that signals gender (sex?).

Most women know that the growing breasts esp if larger means the staring leering comments start.

In my day girls tried to avoid that by getting very thin and/ or wearing baggy clothes.

Girls and women have always had a difficult relationship with their breasts because of the way they are fetishised in society. Too big too small. Drag queens with huge busts. Kenny Everett. Very large breasts are seen as somehow obscene. Too much. Page 3 lads mags etc etc etc.

This woman who I don't know who she is, is treating it as an experiment, a change. I don't think it comes from the same place.

I don't know her obv so that could be not true obv. My read though.

'- do you think reading about homosexuality influences others to be gay? Fair enough if you don't agree with Trans ideology (as breast binding is part of), but the idea that exposure will influence young people to follow is dangerous'

That's a take that ignores the fact that loads of girls forever have wanted their breasts to go away.

Because men start looking at you a different way. It signals 'old enough' to loads of men whether unconscious or not.

When my friend was 13 a bus driver said he'd let her off her fare if he could feel her tits. She was in school uniform.

The fact that women who have been pubescent / teen girls know that for s lot of girls, visible breasts move you from child to sex object. Suddenly you need to be more careful how you dress. Predatory gazes wherever you go.

But that's definitely not anything to do with this. Apparently.

MolyHolyGuacamole

Can you explain why 'non binary' girls see binding/ and hoping for double mastectomy sometimes. As important?

When male non binary young people don't seem to make alterations to their chests?

Why is trying to hide the presence of breasts 'non binary'?

My best friend in her late 20s used to go on relentless about wanting to bind her breasts when we were teens - it was a bit worrying.

Ten years on she brought it up recently, saying she grew it out of it and that if she had had the chance to change to make she probably would have - and regretted it. This sort of glamourisation is dangerous imo

*to male

All of DD female friend group at school have a variety of trans IDs.

DD started wearing 2 bra tops to school.

I said oh are you trying to bind? It's not very safe. How about we get a sports bra they squash them in and are designed for it.

Looked on shop.

She didn't want any.

She stopped wearing 2.

I always say ok fine if they want to do GNC stuff. DD would only wear boys clothes when she was pre secondary. Even if the girls ones were the same. It was the label.

I went though a period of despising 'girls' things.

I noticed how I was treated and I didn't like it. From tiny. She got the same message.

She got periods young (before year 6,) and she's very observant. She rejected 'girl'. And who can blame her? I felt the same.

She seems fine now. I still don't care what she wears etc.

I think the shitshow that is female puberty and what it means, loads of girls want an out. And that's normal and fine. As long as they don't fuck their bodies up.

She isn’t wearing an actual binder in those photos she’s wearing boxing wrappings (an unsafe or perhaps a more unsafe thing to bind with) which is my only issue with those photos. She’s small chested enough she doesn’t need to bind but if she wants to then the brand linked is massively into harm reduction and safe binding strategies. The only real study conducted into the safety of binding itself notes that it can’t account for the self reported risks binding poses and suggests people wearing multiple binders at one time is likely to blame.

She's wearing boxing wrappings which don't look very tight.

She does not have the sort of bust that attracts leers, comments and staring. When in school uniform.

The pictures are highly sexualised and in one she has her breasts covered with a hand.

This is in no way the same as schoolgirls trying to hide their breasts as they have always done.

She says it's 'cool'.

It's not great. Is it.

Looks like a standard sexy photoshoot with a bondage angle.

Let's be honest here.

Massively into harm reduction.

That statement admits this practice can be harmful.
And that the company you approve of reduces harm. Not removes it.

Think about what you're saying, in other words.

@MolyHolyGuacamole

same sort of thing thinspo does for anorexic people

• Anorexic people are ill.

Influence young girls to do the same?

• do you think reading about homosexuality influences others to be gay? Fair enough if you don't agree with Trans ideology (as breast binding is part of), but the idea that exposure will influence young people to follow is dangerous.

So great to see you call it as it is- ideology.

And that is how young people learn about a harmful influence, exposure. The studies show that risk of negative effects to the body from binders (done by an organization that was actually pro binding) is almost inevitable.

There is no way to ‘bind’ that does not harm, so therefore these images are glamorizing and promoting self harm.

Please stop dismissing the known negative effects of binders as either inevitable because someone is trans, or acceptable in any way. As a parent of a teen, I am seeing daily the direct impact of people dangerously dismissing the harm of binders.

do you think reading about homosexuality influences others to be gay?

Evidence suggests that people with dementia maintain their sexuality, whereas some of those who have transitioned forget they have done so and become distressed by wearing the clothes of the opposite sex? I think comparing these two things, as if there’s some kind of significance, needs to stop.

@NiceGerbil

Massively into harm reduction.

That statement admits this practice can be harmful.
And that the company you approve of reduces harm. Not removes it.

Think about what you're saying, in other words.

No it admits it could potentially be harmful. There haven’t been any proper studies into it and so they advocate sensible advice like wash after use like you would any intimate wear and wear a size that is comfortable don’t try to size down. Bras if they don’t fit properly have the potential to cause a lot of issues but we don’t lambaste companies for writing guidance on fitting or wearing them.

@Rhannion

Intimate journey my arse! All over instagram isn’t intimate. Irresponsible , attention seeking dangerous behaviour.

Exactly. I've put this story on my FB timeline and it's provoked a lot of comments from many who normally stay quiet. I'm so annoyed she's advertising a piece of clothing which aids self harm. And all the sycophantic comments on her Instagram! What's wrong with people? There's a peak going on though.

Two studies have been completed that focus specifically on people who bind. They were cross-sectional studies, observing a specific population (people who chest bind) at a specific point in time, and were published in 2017 and 2018. Both of these studies are based on data from 1,800 responders to an online survey.

Across both studies, the majority of people (89-97%) reported experiencing at least one negative symptom from chest binding (2,3).

Common side effects of chest binding
76-78% of people in studies reported skin/tissue problems, like tenderness, scarring, swelling, itching, infections
74-75% of people reported pain in chest, shoulders, back or abdomen
51-52% of people reported respiratory problems (like shortness of breath)
47-49% of people reported musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures

helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/chest-binding-tips-and-tricks-for-trans-men-nonbinary-and-genderfluid

Yes. Just like a badly fitting bra.

Please stop minimizing the harm these binders do to young female bodies. 50% of bra wearers would not experience musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures.

I agree that better studies are desperately needed. For the meantime, what purpose do you have to continue to dismiss the risk for children wearing a binder knowing that it has this degree of harm?

Yes. Just like a badly fitting bra.

That was sarcasm by the way.

This is NOT like wearing a badly fitting bra.

A genuine question from me pls. What does queer mean in the LGBTQ context? Is it simply same sex/gender attracted (ie homosexual) or does it have a different definition?

I've seen lots of older gay men on SM sites saying they spent years hating and fearing that word being used against them and they don't care to use it about themselves now. Is the current usage borne out of wanting to reclaim a word previously used as an insult by younger people?

Self publicity I should think. Look at me and what I am doing.

I just saw an article on this in The Telegraph and came on here looking for a thread.

I’m quite shocked, but I don’t know why really. And dismayed. Breasts shouldn’t be bound.

‘Queer’ means whatever you want it to. Often it’s simply a fashion statement “Look! I’m a girl I’m wearing a ‘boys’’ plaid shirt - I’m queer AF!”.

It’s a great way to join in all the glittery rainbow stuff without actually being gay or bi 🙄

As for Emma Corrin, I think she dug up some old photos that she thought were ‘edgy’ and utilised them now because she is thinking of coming out as NB (or already has - I don’t follow her). She looks very thin.

Wearing ‘boys’ clothes and then binding your breasts so you look more like a boy is the opposite of GNC to me. Being GNC would be being obviously female with breasts, and wearing the ‘boys’ clothes.

There are people with GD and people for whom this ‘trans’ thing is a fad. But ‘queer’ allows the faddists to appropriate transness and/or homosexuality. Apparently, that’s all fine - whereas I find it bloody offensive.

@Helleofabore

Two studies have been completed that focus specifically on people who bind. They were cross-sectional studies, observing a specific population (people who chest bind) at a specific point in time, and were published in 2017 and 2018. Both of these studies are based on data from 1,800 responders to an online survey.

Across both studies, the majority of people (89-97%) reported experiencing at least one negative symptom from chest binding (2,3).

Common side effects of chest binding
76-78% of people in studies reported skin/tissue problems, like tenderness, scarring, swelling, itching, infections
74-75% of people reported pain in chest, shoulders, back or abdomen
51-52% of people reported respiratory problems (like shortness of breath)
47-49% of people reported musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures

helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/chest-binding-tips-and-tricks-for-trans-men-nonbinary-and-genderfluid

Yes. Just like a badly fitting bra.

Please stop minimizing the harm these binders do to young female bodies. 50% of bra wearers would not experience musculoskeletal symptoms, like postural changes, muscle wasting, or rib fractures.

I agree that better studies are desperately needed. For the meantime, what purpose do you have to continue to dismiss the risk for children wearing a binder knowing that it has this degree of harm?

Postural changes are absolutely possible with ill fitting bras along with, cuts, sores, PGD and a host of other issues. I’ve read the studies and in fact saw the questionnaire at the time for 1 of them. They are deeply flawed self reports that didn’t ascertain anywhere the level of information needed and relied on informants deciding whether their issues were related to binding. Also who was suggesting I advocate this for children? My non trans partner binds and wanting to see what it was like I’ve tried it. I wouldn’t be stupid enough to sleep in one, go to the gym or conduct manual labor in one but after trying several it was no more uncomfortable than wearing a sports bra.