New Political Party?

[MiladyBerserko]

Allison Bailey is asking about forming a new political party to defend the rights of women and children and oppose Gender Ideology.

If you are reading Allison, please do it, I beg you.

But please write the terms into the Party Charter, so that it cannot go the way of the WEP

Yes, please.

The trouble is, Labour and Conservative party loyalties are so ingrained, there are too many that won't consider voting for anyone else - I mean, Uxbridge & South Ruislip keep voting Boris, FGS!

It doesn't matter how shit the candidate, the 'faithful' will always vote for 'their' party.

This party would have to cross ideologies and attempt to appeal to everyone.

Shame the Women's Equality Party is so unfit for purpose.

Single issue parties can do quite well for a long time

If people can put aside their political differences, which is what is now destroying the SNP, and concentrate on the single issue, it can be very successful.

If I am politically homeless there must be politicians who feel the same. (I can think of three from the SNP)

I think it would do well

I would pay to join even though it would be unlikely I would ever have a candidate to vote for
Single issue parties can lead to a change of policy in the main parties, just look at brexit

A single issue party is about the campaign rather than seats in Parliament (although it may be realistic at council level). Definitely needed

I'd join it too.

Mind you I'd vote Tory if they actually do more to defend the rights of women and children. I never thought I'd ever say that. Labour obviously are too far down the rabbit hole.

I definitely feel politically homeless.

Strawberry I voted Tory in the election. I still feel dirty, but it was that or destroy my vote and as women died so I could have one that didn't feel right either.

I do think a women's issues party could fly. There are some big brains out there who are already skilled at debating and arguing points - e.g. Dr Nic, Karen Ingala Smith, Helen Staniland, et al.

Bet Baroness Nicholson would help, was she not setting up a list of women who were interested in campaigning? There are a growing number of Peers talking to her, it seems.

I do think change is afoot on all this stuff, but it's not going to be immediate and it's not going to be a main issue for any of the big political parties. We have to do it for ourselves.

As per bloody usual.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Single issue parties can do quite well for a long time

If people can put aside their political differences, which is what is now destroying the SNP, and concentrate on the single issue, it can be very successful.

If I am politically homeless there must be politicians who feel the same. (I can think of three from the SNP)

No. The SNP have done well because their single issue is firmly based on geography, thus it aligns perfectly with the anti-democratic perversion of our First Past The Post constituency system. They get a representation in parliament that is far out of proportion to their support nationwide.

The only other single issue party that has ever achieved anything is UKIP, and they did that not by winning seats but by exerting enough pressure from the right on the Tory party, so the Tories felt they had to adopt UKIP's policy to avoid losing a fatal number of votes. (And even there it only worked because the Tories misread the country and thought they could get away with just offerering the referendum on Brexit, which would clearly vote to stay in . . . oops.)

You could try doing the same thing, though you'd have to pick a "side" of the current culture war to do it from, and you'd probably have more chance with the Tories than Labour. Must admit though, I don't think the number of people outside our little bubble who care about gender ideology enough for it to determine their voting decisions is anywhere near the number who wanted to leave the EU.

What are the chances of success and would we be better having a uniting organisation that can sign up millions of women (almost like a trade union) who will terrify the life out of the existing parties and organisations. There is definitely a concern building in the UK as more people become aware of the issues for women and it would be good to capitalize on that but how is another matter

I have spoiled my ballot paper twice now and would be thrilled to be able vote to protect women's rights rather than registering a (probably pointless) protest.

Oh please - I would join

Vivarium I don't blame you one bit, I'm a bit ashamed now that I didn't vote in the last local elections.

I won't ever vote for Labour until they do a 180 and actually listen to women again.

Watching with interest.

Yes please.

I think one of the issues raised was the ability to send out a leaflet to voters, laying out the issues you are campaigning on.

That would be a great way to get the public informed.

I would absolutely take part. Even if only to highlight the issue.

It’s not true that single issue/small parties don’t achieve anything because they rarely get candidates in- they can put a lot of pressure on main parties who are worried about a split vote. I think the Green Party has a definite impact on Labour, for instance. If Labour don’t have a good environmental policy, they risk losing votes to the Greens.

In the in early 1900s, the suffrage movement abandoned the Liberals (who were taking their time about giving women the vote) and gave their support to the then very small, albeit not single issue Labour Party. The Liberals picked up the pace a bit after that!

I think it would do well. Those arguing against the power of a single issue party only need to look at what Farage achieved. I am politically homeless right now, I would join.

They tried something similar with Change UK and with the Women’s Equality Party. Neither has done well.
The only reason the Brexit Party did well was because of the money and support behind it.

Just wanted to point out that in Scotland there are currently two explicitly pro-women parties; ISP & Alba.

They are both very new and have not gained any ground so far - I think setting a party up is actually relatively easy - the difficulty is getting people to vote for this new party which won't be have known 'names' or a track record.

This is the WEP split-off. Can we just make them the real WEP and oust the other WEP? Will we need a military to do this. Has anyone got one?

www.wepsbr.com/

I think the SDP DON'T support Stonewall and are not
Diversity Champions.