Washington Post Reporter wants Kids to see Kink

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Good to see that she is getting roasted over this

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/06/29/pride-month-kink-consent/

twitter.com/LaurenRowello/status/1409918632893861892

Along with the reaction to Barclays misfire advert its good to see Twitter users hitting back as one would expect of all the places Twitter would be "yarse queen(ing)" over all of this

I think this may be what's inspired Watson to make this very spot on "ramble" (in her words.)

If he is type of man to get violent, and many are, he will be targetting women like me as much as anyone.

I'm sorry @FloralBunting I hate to say it but my experience of violent men is telling me, that women will get targeted more because if you are going to attack someone, it's easier and safer to attack women.

Pride has nothing to do with LGB any more - it's all about queer and non binary and trans. In my local library's selection of Pride books, there wasn't a single lesbian. There were two books by gay men but the vast majority were by trans people.

@Clymene I can see that. I've been reading about bisexuality and later in life sexual fluidity, lately and so many articles I've read tie themselves up in absolute knots to clarify that only thinking in terms of 2 sexes is problematic. Or talk about coming out in terms of being non-binary or trans and there is something very inauthentic about the way it's written, like it's a box ticking exercise that must be completed before the point of the article can resume. Or sometimes the article ends up having nothing to do with how it started out.

Kink traditionally being at a pride festival seems fine to me, as it was a sort of protest event not a Barclay's sanctioned fun fair. And yes, people can still go to jail for their perfectly safe kinks. I'm sure dildos and anal plugs are still technically illegal in some states and I don't think anybody would even see those items as kinky anymore.

But pride needs to pick a side. Either it's an in-your-face protest event that parents would know to swerve or it's a place to sign up for a Capital One card and buy rainbow glitter cake for your kids.

Had a look at what I could face of the article, looks like comments have been removed as showing 0?

You can buy dildos and butt plugs from the lovehoney ads on this website. Going down the local park and simulating sex with them is only a protest against public decency, it's fuck all to do with LGB or T rights for that matter.

Jesus. Yes, Pride, pick a side. One that makes it crystal clear you are nothing to do with LGB equality.

But what does certain kinks being illegal have to do with homosexuality, bisexuality or being trans, when the vast majority of people who practice those kinks are heterosexual? If people want to protest the illegality of whipping your consenting partner, what does that actually have to do with the LGBT community apart from the fact that a minority of practitioners also happen to be part of that community?

But pride needs to pick a side. Either it's an in-your-face protest event that parents would know to swerve or it's a place to sign up for a Capital One card and buy rainbow glitter cake for your kids.

This makes no sense either. Why can't it be a time and a place thing? Where the middle of the day street parade and festival is non sexual. Then various adult only off-shoot events where LGBT people who enjoy kink can gather together. If they want as 'kink' encompasses a lot. I've practiced and enjoyed some S&M in my time but I can tell you that my desire to spend any time with some Furries doing their thing is absolutely zero.

Same sex couple might be kinky in bed. So might heterosexuals.

Same sex couples caress each other intimately, the same as heterosexuals do, and if you saw a heterosexual couple masturbating each other on the train you would call the bloody police, and so you should with a same sex couple.

Kink is about specific sex acts. Just because it's fine between consenting adults in private doesn't mean it is ever appropriate in front of children and in public.

THIS IS NOT WHAT LGB PEOPLE STAND FOR.

If you're hearing mild panic in my tone, it's because I just read through that twitter thread and saw a lot of genuinely angry people saying this is what accepting gay people has led to. I am fucking scared.

I was making the point that Pride has always had an in-your-face sexual element. So I'm not sure who you both are arguing with? I think we're all in agreement that you shouldn't bring your kink to a family-friendly event which is the point of the thread. I was pointing out that the over the top sexual side, or "kink" had its place historically in pride. Men wearing outrageous costumes, or only their pants, and certainly cross dressing which often is a kink (and I don;t think anyone would argue otherwise)/

But what does certain kinks being illegal have to do with homosexuality, bisexuality or being trans, when the vast majority of people who practice those kinks are heterosexual?

The vast majority of people practicing kink are heterosexual because the vast majority of people are heterosexual. I'm not talking about heterosexuals at pride. I'm talking about Pride traditionally having an overt sexual side and I think particularly with gay men there are lots of sub groups within that which could be perceived as kink, or would have traditionally been seen as such. And does Pride want to continue with that or does it want to be family friendly. I disagree that you can have two kinds of events under the exact same banner because that is what is kind of already happening now. And it's all getting muddled and weird.

Because people being persecuted for their sexuality and the items that are associated with their sexuality (which is why I mentioned dildos and butt plugs) was and in some cases still is an issue in some areas. So I can see the way the two things are related. You've misread my post and attacked.

What's really disturbing is that when was going to Pride in the late 80s, it was very much not family friendly but nor were fetishes so openly on display. I don't remember men dressed up as little girls or furries.

Yeah, crikey, can't imagine why, in the face of a big newspaper publishing a piece that says LGBT+ people want kids to see kinky stuff, and the subsequent anger from people about it, I'd want to be crystal clear about not associating gay people with lax sexual privacy boundaries. Thoroughly mysterious.

Yeah, sure, leathermen have always been part of pride, but wearing leather outfits and harnesses is not the same thing as using sex toys publicly.

Genuinely sorry if you feel got at, but the place for nuance and dialling Pride back to a protest still doesn't mean public obscenity can be justified, and given the behemoth that the corporate Pride movement is, I'll ask you, do you really think an angry father who wants to smack my face in because he thinks I want to corrupt his daughter is going to pause because of a hypothetical about when Pride was a protest. It's probably pushed heavily at his kids schools.

I understand that you're saying Pride can't have it both ways. But that's not a choice on the table. The only option I can see is trying to shout very loudly that these people do not represent LGB people, and putting clear blue water between the Qslur community and LGB people. They want to be open perverts, that's up to them.

This is "there but for the Grace of God go I" moment for trans widows. Leaving is difficult but better than going from being a heterosexual woman to being a "Queer" activist acting as a shill for nonces and fetishists.

(nb I'm saying kink practicers who want children to watch are nonces and fetishists I'm not making a comment about trans people).

@FloralBunting

I've just read the article in the OP. I could actually cry. I spent decades coming to terms with a homophobic world that insisted being gay was a perversion, a kinky weird thing, not just two people falling in love who happen to be the same sex. Decades. I was prayed for and abused by people who were convinced it was demon-inspired.

And now a straight woman, in a heterosexual marriage, is posting an article in a mainstream media publication trying to yoke my sexuality back to the idea that lesbians and gays just want to be perverted in front of your kids.

THIS IS WHAT SECTION 28 WAS ABOUT YOU NASTY, BULLYING, BIGOTED SHITBAGS.

You don't speak for me. You are not gay, you are utterly appropriating a struggle you have nothing to do with, and you are absolutely damaging LGB rights in the process.

I've seen a lot of homophobia in my life. It is genuinely getting worse, and this ferociously hideous woman and her ilk are the reason why. SO FUCKING ANGRY I'M CAPSLOCKING AND I DON'T DO THAT.

@FloralBunting

Your posts are always fantastic.

Once, it was LGB or GLB or G&L, and it was all about sexual orientation.

Now, it's LGBTQQIIAAP+ ("umbrella term that stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, intergender, asexual, ally, pansexual, and others" - Howard University Student Handbook 2020-1, p37: studentaffairs.howard.edu/sites/studentaffairs.howard.edu/files/2020-10/Student%20Handbook%202020.2021.pdf ) or LGBTQQIAAPP to include polyamory ( omsa.vcu.edu/resources/lgbtqia-resources/terminology/ ). The original constituency has been overthrown and the movement has been overtaken by all manner of campaigners whose all kinds of disparate objectives having nothing whatsoever to do with the original, noble cause of gay rights.

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It is such bullshit. So wrong that LGB people are being put in this position.

Floralbunting 💐

If you're hearing mild panic in my tone, it's because I just read through that twitter thread and saw a lot of genuinely angry people saying this is what accepting gay people has led to. I am fucking scared.

I've just said on another thread this is all starting to look like its deliberate and designed to provoke an authoritarian backlash.

@michelleScarn the comments are there if you click on the box where it says there are none and they appear

Wow, I actually found that article really upsetting to read. Exposing children ito adult material in this way is straight up sexual abuse. Those poor kids, they can't fucking understand what they are being exposed to. This is abuse and this woman needs a visit from the police, not a fucking article in the Washington Post.

@FloralBunting

I've just read the article in the OP. I could actually cry. I spent decades coming to terms with a homophobic world that insisted being gay was a perversion, a kinky weird thing, not just two people falling in love who happen to be the same sex. Decades. I was prayed for and abused by people who were convinced it was demon-inspired.

And now a straight woman, in a heterosexual marriage, is posting an article in a mainstream media publication trying to yoke my sexuality back to the idea that lesbians and gays just want to be perverted in front of your kids.

THIS IS WHAT SECTION 28 WAS ABOUT YOU NASTY, BULLYING, BIGOTED SHITBAGS.

You don't speak for me. You are not gay, you are utterly appropriating a struggle you have nothing to do with, and you are absolutely damaging LGB rights in the process.

I've seen a lot of homophobia in my life. It is genuinely getting worse, and this ferociously hideous woman and her ilk are the reason why. SO FUCKING ANGRY I'M CAPSLOCKING AND I DON'T DO THAT.

Such a powerful post - I just can't believe my eyes with this shit sometimes.

I agree.

@FloralBunting

Your post needs printing and shouting from rooftops. It needs to turn heads. Your panic is palpable and I can see why

Ha! What on earth makes Lauren Rowell think that anyone is their authentic self in public?

And this is a perfect example of someone conflating 'private' with 'secret' and therefore shameful/shame-faced.

Most people want sexual activity to be private: their own and other people's. Even boring old hetero-normies. It is not because they are ashamed.

If crowds of heterosexual people got together and marched the streets in fetish gear enacting their preferred kinks in public, that would be pretty fucking weird right?

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Very ironic that kinks that involve cross dressing are less acknowledged than ever, so women must celebrate their husband’s ‘authenticity’ and Drag Queens just really like Dolly Parton and academic research is closed down.

@GromblesofGrimbledon

If crowds of heterosexual people got together and marched the streets in fetish gear enacting their preferred kinks in public, that would be pretty fucking weird right?

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Who says that isn’t what is being suggested in this article?

@GromblesofGrimbledon

If crowds of heterosexual people got together and marched the streets in fetish gear enacting their preferred kinks in public, that would be pretty fucking weird right?

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One could argue that is exactly what this author's spouse has the two of them do..............

I'm not saying that absolutely is the case, I do not know the ins and outs of how her spouse feels or what has motivated that person's transition. But I can see a lot of Twitter commentators are making that argument.

The point I'm trying to make is that Pride seems to get a free pass for this behaviour. As @FloralBunting has pointed out, gay people have fought years to remove the association of homosexuality with sexual deviance. We're going backwards now. There would be an outcry if straight people had a fetish parade but at Pride it's fair game for men to dress up as dogs on leashes, spank each other in front of children, and walk around with their arses hanging out.

I look at Pride and then I look at my gay friends and I don't see the connection. Thankfully they don't participate in all that nonsense.