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Washington Post Reporter wants Kids to see Kink

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Tesla73 · 02/07/2021 09:02

Good to see that she is getting roasted over this

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/06/29/pride-month-kink-consent/

twitter.com/LaurenRowello/status/1409918632893861892

Along with the reaction to Barclays misfire advert its good to see Twitter users hitting back as one would expect of all the places Twitter would be "yarse queen(ing)" over all of this

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merrymouse · 02/07/2021 19:37

There would be an outcry if straight people had a fetish parade but at Pride it's fair game for men to dress up as dogs on leashes, spank each other in front of children, and walk around with their arses hanging out.

But I think that many people participating in pride are heterosexual. Pride is no longer about ‘LGB’ is about people who identify as queer which includes heterosexuals, many of whom present as their biological sex.

It’s about gender ideology and gender ideology doesn’t recognise sex, whether that relates to male/female heterosexual/homosexual or trans sexuals.

GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 19:45

@merrymouse

There would be an outcry if straight people had a fetish parade but at Pride it's fair game for men to dress up as dogs on leashes, spank each other in front of children, and walk around with their arses hanging out.

But I think that many people participating in pride are heterosexual. Pride is no longer about ‘LGB’ is about people who identify as queer which includes heterosexuals, many of whom present as their biological sex.

It’s about gender ideology and gender ideology doesn’t recognise sex, whether that relates to male/female heterosexual/homosexual or trans sexuals.

"Queer" now includes heterosexuals?

I officially give up.

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 20:09

"Queer" now includes heterosexuals?

Yes. They even have their own flags.

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 20:11

www.entitymag.com/demisexual-flag-meaning/

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 20:12

The key thing is you have to believe in the ideology.

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 20:15

“One sexuality that is often neglected or misunderstood, even during a month celebrating sexual and gender acceptance, is demisexuality.”

We don’t have to worry ourselves about who might or might not be able to live/work/holiday in Dubai. The important thing is to just accept everyone.

GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/07/2021 20:22

I'm out!

gif-central.blogspot.com/2012/05/jumping-out-of-window.html?m=1#.YN9nUyV4WEc

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 20:26

Sorry forgot. Absolutely must not accept people who are ‘gender-free’ with their sinful suggestions that gender identity might just be ‘personality’.

merrymouse · 02/07/2021 20:31

Also people with a specific sexual orientation are heretics and apparently have a ‘genital fetish’, which confusingly in this context is bad and it’s not homophobic to say so.

I acknowledge I’m taking the piss, but it’s not really funny because gender ideology now dominates many public institutions.

FloralBunting · 02/07/2021 20:42

I mean, it is funny on one level, certainly worthy of derision.

But when you have conversations with people claim to be LGB and tell you that if as a female, you use any sort of penetration with another female, you have to accept a 'flesh dildo' is 'validly lesbian' too, or when you see you straight women on T telling gay men they should be willing to have sex with them because 'a hole is a hole', you do just tend to see Jim Davidson wearing a rainbow lanyard.

It's homophobia masquerading as progressivism. Keyser Soze missed a trick. Homophobes convincing everyone that homophobia is the next big human rights revolution is every bit as impressive as the devil convincing people he didn't exist.

BlackAlys · 02/07/2021 21:12

@FloralBunting

I mean, it is funny on one level, certainly worthy of derision.

But when you have conversations with people claim to be LGB and tell you that if as a female, you use any sort of penetration with another female, you have to accept a 'flesh dildo' is 'validly lesbian' too, or when you see you straight women on T telling gay men they should be willing to have sex with them because 'a hole is a hole', you do just tend to see Jim Davidson wearing a rainbow lanyard.

It's homophobia masquerading as progressivism. Keyser Soze missed a trick. Homophobes convincing everyone that homophobia is the next big human rights revolution is every bit as impressive as the devil convincing people he didn't exist.

This. With bells on.
SmokedDuck · 02/07/2021 21:12

@trancepants

But what does certain kinks being illegal have to do with homosexuality, bisexuality or being trans, when the vast majority of people who practice those kinks are heterosexual? If people want to protest the illegality of whipping your consenting partner, what does that actually have to do with the LGBT community apart from the fact that a minority of practitioners also happen to be part of that community?

But pride needs to pick a side. Either it's an in-your-face protest event that parents would know to swerve or it's a place to sign up for a Capital One card and buy rainbow glitter cake for your kids.

This makes no sense either. Why can't it be a time and a place thing? Where the middle of the day street parade and festival is non sexual. Then various adult only off-shoot events where LGBT people who enjoy kink can gather together. If they want as 'kink' encompasses a lot. I've practiced and enjoyed some S&M in my time but I can tell you that my desire to spend any time with some Furries doing their thing is absolutely zero.

I think it comes out of ale sexuality, and male sexuality with no women involved can, and sometimes does, ramp things up to the max.

Much as the sex positive people want to deny it, female sexuality tends to be different, and in heterosexual relationships it tends act as a sort of limiting factor. All the statistics confirm this, there is a reason that the average number of partners for gay men is miles above what it is for heterosexual couples or lesbians, as non-PC as it is to mention.

And while some gay men aren't interested in that sort of thing there is a group that not only is, they tend to see it as part and parcel of being gay - Peter Tatchell being an example, or men you hear from time to time complaining that gay men are now too normal and mainstream.

I think that this same group is also much more likely to be into kink, and more extreme kinds.

A huge part of the gay rights movement was trying to combat this image, and it's probably not chance that it grew in the immediate aftermath of the AIDS crisis. But there has been something of a resurgence in popularity, or acceptance? in recent years. Maybe people being less concerned about AIDS is part of that too.

But it's a dangerous situation. Like FloralBunting said, this was the kind of thing people thought about with section 28. Or for that matter, laws in places like Russia today. I don't think Pride is doing much to convince non-western nations that our way is better, that's for sure.

SmokedDuck · 02/07/2021 21:16

@merrymouse

There would be an outcry if straight people had a fetish parade but at Pride it's fair game for men to dress up as dogs on leashes, spank each other in front of children, and walk around with their arses hanging out.

But I think that many people participating in pride are heterosexual. Pride is no longer about ‘LGB’ is about people who identify as queer which includes heterosexuals, many of whom present as their biological sex.

It’s about gender ideology and gender ideology doesn’t recognise sex, whether that relates to male/female heterosexual/homosexual or trans sexuals.

It's occured to me a few times over the last few years that basically it's become a kind of sex-festival, like something you'd find in ancient Rome.
toomanytrees · 02/07/2021 23:24

About 15 years ago I happened to be in Toronto at the time of the Pride parade. I had read glowing reports in the media about it for years and was really looking forward to it. I love a good North American parade with all the decorated floats, costumes and marching bands. I thought the since gays were involved it would be even more awesome in terms of showmanship. Well colour me disappointed. Most floats were just flat beds with (close to) naked people on them gyrating to techno music. As to effort, it was mostly grease, body paint and balloons. By contrast, the drag queens who walked among the crowd were magnificent and I'm not a fan of that art form. To be fair, there were also lots of marchers showing solidarity and support, but for me this was overshadowed by the lewdness of it all.

To top it off the media reported 1 million people in attendance. A back of the envelope calculation based the length of the parade route showed less than half that.

This experience left me cynical about Pride. The fawning media coverage was misleading to the point of falsehood and I as a watcher was an unwilling participant in fetishistic behavior. So I can't say I'm surprised about the kink.

NiceGerbil · 02/07/2021 23:34

Not read it all yet.

Evidence for this??
'The kink community has participated in Pride since its inception — risking their jobs and safety to be authentically themselves in public.'

Saying that Pride -GAY pride. Has always had people who are not gay going? But who are 'kinky'????

Sounds like rubbish to me. Happy to learn otherwise. Well not happy but interested and accept my assumption was wrong!

WarriorN · 03/07/2021 07:20

In basic terms from kids POV.

Pride is now trendy.

Anything within / endorsed by pride is also trendy.

One only has to join a few dots to recognise the issues.

It's becoming very offensive to the LGB community.

LGB is not a kink.

LazyHorizon · 03/07/2021 08:32

“The kink community”. “authentically themselves”

Is absolutely every hobby or preference now a matter of fundamental “identity” that just has to be expressed in public at all costs?

IvyTwines2 · 03/07/2021 08:41

@LazyHorizon

“The kink community”. “authentically themselves”

Is absolutely every hobby or preference now a matter of fundamental “identity” that just has to be expressed in public at all costs?

Yes. And it's very convenient for the marketing people, almost like it's something the megacorps wanted to happen at a time when linear TV viewing with ads largely ceased to be a thing.
WarriorN · 03/07/2021 12:15

Trigger warning for this tweet discussing murder as a kink.

Wtaf does this reporter want kink normalised? Where are boundaries drawn?

twitter.com/angryskelleton/status/1411075106378502150?s=21

WarriorN · 03/07/2021 12:16

This poor woman doesn't now know where and how to draw her lines clearly.

WarriorN · 03/07/2021 12:20

To quote a tweet:

That instinct, to hide her true feelings, was her body’s warning system recognising a very serious threat. This is the problem women face: having to override our socialised responses when we’re in v. real danger.

FloralBunting · 03/07/2021 12:42

Jesus, woman. Run. Just fucking run. It is not an acceptable thing for a man to be turned on by killing a woman.

#YesKinkShame

merrymouse · 03/07/2021 12:55

This is the problem women face: having to override our socialised responses when we’re in v. real danger.

I think the socialised response is a response to danger - de-escalate, ‘be kind’.

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