Stonewall Ambassador about Pride Month in the Times today

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Iain Anderson wants the UK be a "beacon of hope" for LGBT rights, no mention of women of course:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3b5ecd8e-d9bb-11eb-b92f-5fe539a30c29?shareToken=73aaa759f51e108e3844fce0304419bc

Well the comments are fun

God this is so bizarre. The whole point of our fight for gay rights was so that one's private sexual life couldn't be brought into a public setting and used against you, e.g. being sacked, denied legal rights within a relationship.

Now having one's private life exposed and paraded at work seems to be compulsory in Stonewall World.

Weird day to publish it, the day pride month should be over. Comments are great though.

Great comments on that article once again. This bit struck me
”Just think about that for a moment. Millions of people around the world are not free to be themselves, to live, work, love and fulfil their potential. Some who face never leaving the closet and must live a life of fear and control.”
This could apply to women living under ‘Stonewall law’ - but he can’t see that can he.

Yes Toseland. I've found a GC colleague and we discuss how careful we must be in not being 'out' as GC at work, how we must monitor our language and how we must be careful not to complain too often about misrepresentations of the Equality Act. I'm not free to bring my whole self to work.

And their ploughing ahead with making all the loos mixed sex - thank god for working at home!

*they're

Thanks for posting this.

The comments do tend to show that people are feeling over exposed to this topic. I don’t even see the profile pics on social media where organisations adopt the pride colours anymore. I simply filter it out. The constant stream of ‘days’ and ‘months’ has actually had the opposite effect on me. I just filter it all out, it feels like constantly being told what to do. It seems from the comments I am not the only one.

I wonder if our SW Ambassador expected glowing accolades, rather than the educating comments he's getting? Didn't say anything about the Diversity Champion scheme did he? Why didn't Nancy come out and say something

If he thinks he can push through this appalling ‘conversation therapy’ legislation (aimed at silencing therapists who disagree with complete gender affirmation for young teenagers) he needs to be prepared for a backlash. The days they can just slide through legislation quietly without question are numbered.

@Masdintle

Yes Toseland. I've found a GC colleague and we discuss how careful we must be in not being 'out' as GC at work, how we must monitor our language and how we must be careful not to complain too often about misrepresentations of the Equality Act. I'm not free to bring my whole self to work.

And their ploughing ahead with making all the loos mixed sex - thank god for working at home!

Re the toilets, I thought, with that new thing, they wouldn’t be allowed to only have mixed sex toilets?

@Helleofabore

Thanks for posting this.

The comments do tend to show that people are feeling over exposed to this topic. I don’t even see the profile pics on social media where organisations adopt the pride colours anymore. I simply filter it out. The constant stream of ‘days’ and ‘months’ has actually had the opposite effect on me. I just filter it all out, it feels like constantly being told what to do. It seems from the comments I am not the only one.

I was looking at the replies to the Barclays tweets, it looked like a lot more “everyday people” weren’t impressed with it, so it does seem to be having a negative effect on the general public

Writer: LGBT people today still face some forms of discrimination. That's bad.

Mumsnet: Bullshit. The rainbow is political. Gay people were nicer when they were quiet. Conversion therapy is good actually. What about me, why isn't this about me?

I think eyesopening this constant tone policing, over bearing tone and simply the constant flow of celebration days has had a negative effect. It has the potential to cause harm by either people filtering it out or having a negative emotion attached to seeing the propaganda.

It is like any movement that over does it on exposure.

I actually started to think Pride month must feel like Christmas does for people of other religions, either ignore it or join in to fit in even it has little direct meaning to you and put up with the annual repetition. Either way it goes on to long (and is less fun and has even more drag acts than the panto).

The issue is not that people aren't supportive of gay people and gay pride - quite opposite I would say - but that there is massive suspicion of Stonewall and its agenda.

It is always good though to have a live demonstration of that hyperbole, absolutist, tone policing though, just incase readers of the thread thought that people were just making it up.

Writer: LGBT people today still face some forms of discrimination. That's bad.

Writer: GBT people today still face some forms of discrimination. That’s bad. We perpetuate the discrimination of L women by pushing the homophobic idea that they need to include males, and we want the UK to be a beacon of lesbian erasure for people everywhere.

FIFY yeahbutnaw

Have we not just done Pride month? I was looking forward to July.

Gay people were nicer when they were quiet. Conversion therapy is good actually. What about me, why isn't this about me?

Oh, aye, because nobody on MN is gay. What a silly comment.

@Wbeezer

I actually started to think Pride month must feel like Christmas does for people of other religions, either ignore it or join in to fit in even it has little direct meaning to you and put up with the annual repetition. Either way it goes on to long (and is less fun and has even more drag acts than the panto).

Poor Canada has Pride season from June through September according to Arty Morty.

“Gay people were nicer when they were quiet. Conversion therapy is good actually. What about me, why isn't this about me?”

I’m bisexual and all the openly GC people I know are lesbians. Of course I don’t agree with conversion therapy as was. But checking whether trans kids would actually benefit from drugs/ surgery before embarking on an irreversible path is not that.

I wish Anderson and ilk would put together a league table so that we understand where the UK (probably also separated into its 4 nations) compare on a global comparison and with other high income countries both for LGBT and for women and other protected characteristics.

Just so we know what it is the UK fails to do.

I'm tired of being told of countries that allow self-ID and restrict/prohibit abortion or don't offer maternity rights/pay or parental leave. Looking at you Malta, Ireland, and parts of the US depending on whether you're covered by federal or state law for some items.

Powerful statement there notbad

@NotBadConsidering

Writer: LGBT people today still face some forms of discrimination. That's bad.

Writer: GBT people today still face some forms of discrimination. That’s bad. We perpetuate the discrimination of L women by pushing the homophobic idea that they need to include males, and we want the UK to be a beacon of lesbian erasure for people everywhere.

FIFY yeahbutnaw

Rubbish. No-one is erasing lesbians. Lesbian numbers are actually increasing.

If you say so, Mishi. Trouble is, a lot of them have penises.

Lesbian numbers are actually increasing.

Yes. That is what happens when lesbians can now include people with penises.

Just like the number of women committing sex crimes has increased.

See how that works?