Green Party Women coup

[GreenPartyWoman]

The Green Party Women's party was co-chaired by a transwoman Kathryn Bristow (fae/fae) and a woman Emma Bateman. Emma has been suspended for alleged transphobia.

Kathryn has now taken over, calling themselves the Chair and removing the rights of women to organise and discuss women's matters on the Green Party forum. Kathryn has gone so far as to delete all previous posts.

Their statement:
"Over the last week I have tried to find a way to moderate this space in compliance with the Equality Act. Unfortunately I can't see a way of doing this that the 100 or so users of this space would be happy with and that wouldn't take a lot of my or someone else's time. While we have to look after the interests of 10,000’s Green Party members.
So sadly I have had to lock the ability of uses to post and comment on this space. I've also deleted all recent posts on the space by users, to ensure that we are complaint with the law in a way that makes no judgement on any one post.
I have to bring it up with the rest of the committee but my feeling is that is space will become a one way commutation tool from the committee to the membership.
More updates will be made soon.

Kathryn Bristow, Chair of Green Party Women"

I don't even know where to go with this, except that this seems to be almost like a totalitarian coup.

'So you endorse "GC" women banning normal women from their space?'

This is fascinating.

So many ideas involved that I don't know if the poster even realised they were stating.

'Gender critical' when used in this way means

Knowing the difference between male and female humans and understanding what those things mean for the different sexes. From sex organs and reproductive function to average differences in strength and size to propensity to violence, sex offending, and onto the sex roles applied sand enforced all over the world, sometimes/ often with massive detriment.

That it is something 99.99999% of the world knows and understands.

99.99999% of the world's population is gender critical. AKA knows that humans come in two sexes and what that means.

Ok.

So next.

Normal women. Normal women are those who don't think that male and female sexes exist etc what I just said.

So.

99.99999% of the world's female people are not 'normal women'.

Normal women are those who think sex is irrelevant in the world.

My 99.9999% is a guess obviously. Think about the world. The mainstream religions. The patriarchal regimes. The wars. The rape. The death in childbirth. The child marriages. Abortion laws. 'Honour' crime. Laws restricting how women dress. Laws that mean prison or potentially execution for homosexuality. And on and on.

I think it's going to be 99.99999%ish. Of not just women but everyone.

OK.

So women who understand that sex makes a massive difference. Are not normal.

Those who think it's irrelevant. Are normal.

Got that thanks.

Next up.

Normal women (those who don't think that sex is relevant and therefore presumably don't think the massive and varied oppression of adult and juvenile female humans around the world is anything to do with them being female) are right to shut down any groups or conversations etc that they are able to. Because those vagina people all over the world, that's 4 billion give or take. Are not normal. The 99.99999% of those vagina people who know that sex matters and is a massive thing in their lives usually to huge detriment.

Ok got that.

And then. There are trans groups to fight for trans things. I haven't seen anyone saying that is not ok. Well not among women anyway. Women understand that trans people and homosexual people and bi people and also homeless people and black people and people who don't have English as a first language and yes even men and boys around issues that affect them, can and should have places to discuss their issues, and organise to work for change if needed. It's good. I'm all for it.

I've never heard a woman get angry about movember, groups for widowed men, testticular Cancer surgery support groups, gay gyms, those raising suicide rates or knife crime.

It's really good that men are getting together around the issues that matter to them. Due to their sex and the position in society that comes from that.

Do you think those things are bad too?

If not. Why not? Interested to hear.

Trans issues are not the same as women's issues.

You say that trans issues should be the focus in women's groups and also in trans groups. And that's the right thing as any women who want to talk about things to do with our biology etc are not 'normal'.

I hear what you're saying.

But it seems. Well. Is that what you really think? That pretty much all of the 4 billion vagina juveniles and adults are not 'normal' and have no reason to want or need or even think of having groups to talk about their wide ranging oppression etc?

The thing is Gerbil, tautological semantics aside, I don't think you have to join the women's group?

If so, there's a few significant reasons I can think of as to why an individual such as KB would firstly join the group and secondly run for chair. And then oust the Co-Chair. And then close the forum.

Those are choices they didn't have to take.

Well no you don't have to join.

It's the same story all over the place.

Anything that gets noticed as female only has to be targeted, have the right sort of woman running it, and then dissenting voices removed.

Women all over the place are being told the best woman to run things is one of the better type, and the focus will be changed to things that proper women are interested in. And if you don't like it you can fuck off.

And it's widespread and the press etc say yay how progressive!

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

Riiiiiiight. So the transphobes setting up their own little space isn't equally totalitarian?

So women are censored from all their spaces by a male & you say women making an alternative space is 'totalitarian'? So basically women should not have their own space with freedom to talk about their own sex based issues without a male in control? 'Under his eye'. We are 52% of the population mate & we give birth to everyone. We will win back the Green Party, Labour & Liberal parties back. We are the majority.

Hi ,
I have just seen this thread from Facebook, and thought I would say thanks for the support from commenters.
I am still suspended from the green party, and the complaint against me for asking 'are trans women female?' is yet to be heard, and won't be heard until at least the end of July.

I know some people cannot understand why I, and other women , would stay in the green party and put up with this nonsense, but I am an environmentalist. Climate change is as real as sexual dimorphism, and it needs addressing urgently. There is no other party talking about climate change enough, and I absolutely refuse to let a bunch of arrogant misogynists and women who would sell their grandmothers for a pat on the head from any Tim, Dick or Harry (because they have so little idea of the true value of grandmothers), destroy the party.

The complaint against me was brought by two green party women committee members, who have both done exactly what they said they were going to do, which was to take green party women in a new direction. I might suggest that direction is downhill, but I am sure others would have a different opinion (if there was anywhere left for members to voice that opinion, of course).

I am prevented from using the members space, though it appears now there is little point in using it anyway, as green party women members have been barred from commenting or posting in their own space, but I (and many others) are entirely unsurprised at the recent turn of events.
To launch one young man with a penchant for silencing women into the sacred untouchable caste may be regarded as a misfortune. To do it twice looks like carelessness.

Anyhow, I just thought I would say that much to the disappointment of some , I am still Rowling,Rowling, Rowling (but not rolling over), however, it would be unwise for me to comment further on what is happening to green party women, as no doubt the likes of Dick Filth and his ilk are lurking here ready to report unruly green sisters at the drop of a bonnet.

Emma (still co-chair of green party women despite rumours to the contrary).

Big lol at the idea that women wanting freedom of speech in a political party is totalitarian.
I guess we're redefining the meaning of that too 😆

Best wishes Emma. You have more patience, optimism and determination than me.

I can't see the GP regaining its (important) focus any time soon. If you and others give up and decide to form a single issue breakaway party, do let us know.

Thanks for posting Emma! Great to hear you’re hanging in there. Watching for developments

The complaint against me was brought by two green party women committee members, who have both done exactly what they said they were going to do, which was to take green party women in a new direction. I might suggest that direction is downhill, but I am sure others would have a different opinion (if there was anywhere left for members to voice that opinion, of course).

at your turn of phrase, though obviously at what's going on.

Emma 💪💪💪🙌🏽

Am a natural Green Party voter

But they can fuck of to the far side of fuck and then a bit more

So,disappointing. Same in Scotland. Green. Party gone rancid 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️😂

Thanks for posting. Good luck with whatever is going on behind the scenes. I hope the party can be reclaimed from the loons.

Best of luck Emma, the law is clearly on your side so it seems very odd you are still suspended. If you wanted to take legal action sure many would support a crowd funder. I would.

Sending strength & solidarity Emma.

Emma 💪 ⭐️ we are behind you.

I'm still a member and joined last year. Not going anywhere.

Within my feminist terven circles it's the Green Party that the majority are members of, broadly for the climate change reasons you describe.

I am still suspended from the green party, and the complaint against me for asking 'are trans women female?' is yet to be heard, and won't be heard until at least the end of July.

It's incredible that a party that is trying to bring people's attention to the reality of what we are doing to our environment cannot just answer that question as "no".

Bristow is bringing the party into disrepute both via their job and their behaviour within the women's group.

Have any journalists picked up on this case? Would a letter writing campaign to the leadership help?

This is the natural consequences of adopting the TWAW mantra. We know TW aren't W & one of the ways we know is TW aren't women is they get bonus rights women don't get.

Add "no debate" to TWAW and everyone leaves their brains at the door.

Good luck with fighting this Emma. So many women are supporting you.

@Bluowl

Best of luck Emma, the law is clearly on your side so it seems very odd you are still suspended. If you wanted to take legal action sure many would support a crowd funder. I would.

Seconded.

The Green Party is mad to centre gender politics. Many more people are worried about climate change and the environment than ever before.

Concentrating on reality rather than ideology would benefit them far more.

There was stupid naive little me still voting for the Greens and thinking they were interested in actual green issues.

Sorry but I don't have time to do a degree in gender studies just so I can understand what the hell happened to my last viable voting option.

@letterem please dont give up hope your are inspiration and we need you to make it better again because the planet needs saved and women need to be able to be safe in there spaces. its not rite to block you from youre roll and if they want my votes they need to put you back and say sorry

@letterem crowd fund legal like @Bluowl said.

Solidarity Emma! I do think you would get a lot of support for legal action.

The important fact about these cuckoos in the Green nest is that they don't care about real Green policies. We can see this from Aimee Challenor who jumped to Lib Dems, then Warrens campaign then ? . Their policy is to promote themselves, promote transgenderism and destroy anything of womans rights that they can. Plus grift in any way that they can on the way. Just shocking that top leadership keeps letting them do this.

Glinner has mentioned this on his substack

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-man-in-charge-of-green-party?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cta

Solidarity Emma, and huge respect for not letting the dickheads shut you up.

Emma thanks for coming here to write this. If only for your clever prose "no doubt the likes of Dick Filth and his ilk are lurking here ready to report unruly green sisters at the drop of a bonnet". Caused a snort in my office. Luckily we're social distancing.

Kudos to you for setting out the reasons why you are staying in the Green Party. I hope you have encouraged more women who've read the above to do the same and to use their voices to vote with in internal elections.

I also echo those who'd suggested raising a complaint (would it be a judicial review if it's a review of party policy which is against the Law?). I would definitely get my spade out.