Persons of child bearing potential

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Or they could have said Women and girls, given that they have also covered off transgender and non-binary people who were born female further down.

Persons of child bearing potential

At this stage, they are just trolling us now aren't they?

Language wise that could have been written in a much simpler gender neutral way. If they really had to.

"We are legally required to ask if it's possible you could be pregnant:

Because: xyz"

But no. Avoid women and girls and whack trans words all over the place. For the tiny minority.

I hope they had a "plain English" version for anyone with English as an additional language and limited English comprehension and the translated versions were clear.

I think there's an awful lot of this crap coming from NBs.

That whole sign is just a goady, mangled mess of the English language. Agree very much with NiceGerbil too, the casual wording around a 12year old potentially being pregnant is disgusting.

I've lost so much respect for the NHS in recent years, for various reasons. If an institution that is supposed to deal with biology and science cannot say the word 'sex' or 'woman', I have no faith in their ability to actually look after me and do their jobs correctly.

In fact, I've seen more vitriolic demands from women about this language inclusion who aren't trans or even Nb but are "trans allies" in the sling/ doula/ breastfeeding / parenting communities.

The guff being written in those groups.

The anger also from many when the fb group that was "reclaim these streets" became "women reclaim." Was bonkers.

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"We are legally obliged to ask persons of child bearing potential ..."

How do they identify which "persons of child bearing potential" they will ask if there's a chance of them being pregnant? Are they asking all people who appear to be aged 12-55? Or just people who look like girls or women in that age range?

As OP pointed out, the rainbow-logo'd section at the bottom makes it clear that female-at-birth transgender and non-binary people should notify staff, and the reason for doing so.

How the hell is this inclusive? Some people won;t even understand it. If English is not their first language they will get 'women' and 'girls' but not that verbose gobbledegook. And how is it inclusive of women? You know, the ones who mainly do all the giving birth? How many women need to feel invisible so one seahorse feels included?

Bad thinking is always couched in bad language. Good ideas can be simply expressed. 'Women, girls and transmen' is accurate, inclusive and not a load of old cobblers. Why not use it?

Apparently the NBs get pissed off.

In fact, I've seen more vitriolic demands from women about this language inclusion who aren't trans or even Nb but are "trans allies" in the sling/ doula/ breastfeeding / parenting communities.

The guff being written in those groups.

Totally agree with this. I reckon there's a LOT of damage that has been done by some of these women. They ultimately place Being Kind above everything else and couldn't cope with being told they're making someone "oppressed" upset. Especially if that person is not a woman. They are also almost entirely filled with white middle class (all definitions of it) women, most of whom, quite honestly, have nothing to lose from most of the changes* they're pushing through. Rather than looking at reality and responding, there's almost total denial in order to make their safe bubble.

*until they're in a nursing hone and have bearded, big-handed "Moira" providing their intimate care.

There's another side to this.

ImThis sign indicates the department/hospital places wokery above patient safety or comfort. If they can't say they word woman, who am I going to get when I request a female provider?

Last time I had a mammogram I started worrying about this in the waiting room. I realised I had to wait to see the nurse who called my name before I'd know who was supposed to be touching my breasts. As a sexual assault "survivor", I was in a state of total panic until I saw her, because I was worried I'd be faced with the choice of going ahead with my non-routine mammogram with a male or not having what could have been extremely important exam. I don't see why it's ok for any woman to ever have to be in that position in hospital.

This sign makes it clear that the department does not prioritise women and girls when they need medical tests.

I think there's an awful lot of this crap coming from NBs.

Agree.

Such a very important point aweegc.

What about women who are refugees and escaped horrendous sexual abuse or any woman or girl who has experienced fgm?

Their rights to ask for a woman and for the words to be openly used is trampled on here.

And for you too aweegc

@aweegc so spot on 💐

I had to ask specifically for female HCPs for my colposcopy for similar reasons. I couldn't have coped and I don't know how I'd reacted if I had been allocated someone who wasn't actually female at the appointment.

Is this all being driven by the minuscule number of trans men that actually give birth, or is it just all about people feeling pleased with themselves for being “inclusive” and not wanting to offend the TRA lobby?

I think this is the argument that has been given but I'm more inclined to think it's about uncoupling the word woman from things that only a female body can do in order to broaden the bandwidth of the word woman. So no, I think it's driven by TW and not TM.

"Pronouns are rohypnol" describes why fudging language is necessary for gender ideology to gain ground; this kind of example uses the same principle.

when they give teenagers the hpv vaccine in school, they ask them if there's any chance they could be pregnant.

Because some young teenagers will be having sex with each other. Better to ask than to assume it couldn't possibly be the case.

I bet if the nhs do get any 12 year old saying that they could potentially be pregnant, that there are some processes that are triggered.

What the fuck does being non-binary have to do with it? If you're female you will have all the reproductive organs you were born with, regardless of whether you consider yourself non-binary.

FFS.

"If you think you might be pregnant, please inform staff."

10 words. Clear concept. Plain English. No triggering phrases like that awful word "women" for the professionally offended.

How much admin time is wasted on churning out this word diarrhoea?

Arguably if a 12 yo is pregnant, it is better to be picked up as early as possible so that the right care and interventions can begin. I don't for a minute believe that is what that poster is trying to do though.

Because being inclusive makes better posters than safeguarding children.

Agree that if you think you may be pregnant is all that is needed though.

I agree with Beowulfa and WarriorN there are ways of writing this sign that avoid the whole gender language issue and make the sign much clearer to understand.

It's bizzare writers of all kinds aren't finding the simplest solutions and instead seem to be relying of increasingly verbose and potential obscure language.

These are the posters in my dept. No 'triggering' language in the SCoR poster but they do have this on their website-

The poster reflects the requirements of The Ionising Radiation (Medical Exposure) Regulations (IR(ME)R) 2017 (2018 in Northern Ireland) which require employers to have a written procedure for making enquiries of individuals of childbearing potential to establish whether the individual is or may be pregnant or breastfeeding
and
The posters are designed to reflect the diversity of the gender spectrum and respect the needs of all pregnant people. They are intended to get people talking and include translations of many of the commonly spoken languages in the UK.

The NHSS poster has the word mum but I can see that being updated soon

It's clearly a calculated use of convoluted, loaded language which is tantamount to virtue-signalling. It's a deliberate euphemism for 'woman' and 'mother' which actively wants to be SEEN to be euphemistic. Nothing like telling females they are now considered a dirty word, which goes hand-in-hand with a generally woeful standard of maternity care in the UK.

It could so easily be avoided by adopting that oh, so untrendy 'you' second-person pronoun: 'If you think you might be pregnant ...'

But no one then would bat an eyelid or see any appeasement with The Ideology, and women - sole users of this particular brand of care - who object to being redefined and reclassified are not being 'kind'.

The NHS is long gone, unfortunately.

It's bizzare writers of all kinds aren't finding the simplest solutions and instead seem to be relying of increasingly verbose and potential obscure language.

This is why it doesn't feel like clumsiness and trying to be inclusive- it very much feels like a certain agenda is being pushed.

12?

Grim.