Come on over the feminist chat - there are no guidelines there

[stumbledin]

Did you know you are now on the naughty step with special rules for what you can and can not post?

Why would anyone start a thread in sex and gender and who are MNHQ to arbitrarilly move someone's thread.

As I am opposed to any form of segregation I suggest we just boycott this forum and stick with feminist chat which has the added bonus of no rules.

And as no one has bothered to explain what has happened how can they tell me or anyone else we are in the wrong.

I really don’t understand now where I should post.

Where can you use the words sex. Or the word gender

It’s become so confusing.

Is one place like a fight club and the other place for agreeing ?

How will it be policed? If a thread in the chat corner veers into gender will it be moved or will there be mass deletions?

For instance recent threads relating to attacks on women in Dulwich are of mainstream interest to women whatever their beliefs regarding gender. Unfortunately the descriptions of the possible perpetrator were confusing leading to much debate. Are women only allowed to discuss a matter of personal safety in one corner of Mumsnet?

I was planning on hanging around this forum (even if I think the name is stupid). This is where the real issues can get discussed.

The other board is now, I guess, reserved for nicey-nicey be-kind liberal feminism.

So trans threads get separated into another board, and another board created for non trans threads.

Revealing that you assume trans people can't possibly want to chat about feminism.

Revealing that you assume trans people can't possibly want to chat about feminism.

Way to twist what I actually said.
Of course trans people can and will want to chat about feminism.

You said trans threads would go into one board - did you not mean the S&G one? Or what did you mean by 'trans threads'?

Trans threads.
As in threads about trans issues.
Why are you jumping to I mean trans people can't possibly want to talk about feminism?
I'm sure some trans people want to talk about feminism issues, why wouldn't they?
It doesn't mean you can't post there if you're trans, or if you're trans you can't possibly be interested in feminist issues

I’m very confused what’s to go where and what’s allowed now.
I don’t want to have to hunt about on different boards to read or post. Could we not just have one Feminism Chat section like before?

MN has also reorganised the Childcare boards. I think it’s a site-wide thing, not just Feminism.

As in threads about trans issues.

I can't understand your logic. You seem to be saying that 'trans threads, i.e. threads about trans issues' wouldn't go in Feminism chat. Is this not what you are saying?

I thought we'd established years ago that most of the regular users of FWR aren't really that interested in trans issues. We wish trans people well, would robustly defend their rights to live free from discrimination and harassment, but that's about as far as it goes. Our interest here is quite distinctly focused on the rights of women and girls - to define themselves, assert their boundaries, and maintain their existing hard-won protections under the equalities act.

So I do bitterly resent having to post matters pertaining to all the above in a topic called 'sex and gender' (one word of which already has a board on MN where people discuss bedroom activities, the other word of which is something I think is utter meaningless bollocks and the reason women's rights are rolling back, so actually feels a bit like we're being trolled) when I'm talking about FEMINISM.

I think MNHQ need to read the Coercive Control thread.

Careful, Elements, that's what got LangCleg banned.

@JellySlice

Careful, Elements, that's what got LangCleg banned.

Que sera sera 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t want to have to hunt about on different boards to read or post

It's already a headache trying to find posts. I think the only practical way to use might be on a desktop with each forum in separate tab.

Searching is going to be real big pain in the arse too.

@JellySlice

Careful, Elements, that's what got LangCleg banned.

Carefully, give me a clue please? Carefully.

LangCleg was an exceptionally experienced, eloquent and careful poster, that she was banned horrified me.

WanderinWomb LangCleg objected to things and said she felt she was experiencing coercive control.

I'll say it here too, why not?

MNHQ don't like their users very much do they?

or is it disdain?

@Clymene

WanderinWomb LangCleg objected to things and said she felt she was experiencing coercive control.

Thank you.

LangCleg was always top of the hitlist because she knew exactly what she was talking about. What kind of person would target a safeguardimg expert?
Don't answer though, just think about it in your head.
We can all see what's happened, whether we mention it or not.

It feels like there are less and less places to be able to actually express concerns about this now without being silenced or shoved into a corner

I don’t see why we can’t continue to post and discuss what has always been discussed on Feminism Chat, even with these new board arrangements.
All we have to do is centre women and girls (as always) and just not mention the word ‘gender’ - many of us reject the concept of gender anyway. This way, it couldn’t be argued that a thread should be moved to ‘Sex and gender debate’ because we wouldn’t have mentioned gender and we wouldn’t be debating it. We would purely be looking out for the best interests of women and girls and could legitimately state that we mean the biological sex kind of women and girls.

...and we could legitimately discuss keeping biological males out of women and girls’ spaces - again, as we wouldn’t be mentioning gender.

I can only see Sex and Gender section on my app.

actually if a bunch of liberal feminists are going to come out of the woodwork and get a sharp lesson in feminism over on the other board I'm kind of cool with that