Keira Bell and Mrs A vs. Tavistock - Court of Appeal hearing 23 & 24 June 2021

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The appeal hearing will be live streamed this Wednesday 23 & Thursday 24 June, 10:30am

Background

1. The High Court decided in Mrs A and Keira Bell’s favour on 1st December 2020 that puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones are experimental treatments which cannot be given to children in most cases without application to the court. Full details of the original case:

www.transgendertrend.com/keira-bell-high-court-historic-judgment-protect-vulnerable-children/

1. The High Court decided in the case of AB on 26 March 2021 thatPARENTScan consent to their children receiving puberty blocking treatment when their children lack the capacity to consent.

1. Court of Appeal 23 & 24 June 2021 Keira Bell and Mrs A’s legal team is dealing with legal submissions from 7 intervenors who want to see the judgement of the Divisional Court overturned. “A significant task in defending the judgement of the Divisional Court. We are facing very well resourced opponents – the Tavistock being funded by the State and the other intervenors”.

The sound is dreadful? I can hear the (main) judge fine but the barrister is completely inaudible?

It's not great, is it.

It's clear enough, just levels are all over the place. Going to have to keep one hand on the volume control.

I've had to switch off as I can't work and listen and have so much on. Can someone update any highlights?

That was a worrying intervention by the judge, reminding the parties that first instance was a judicial review and [my paraphrasing] it is customary in such cases that when there's a conflict of evidence, the evidence of the respondent should take precedence. The problem is that at first instance the respondent seemed to have a lot of pseudo-evidence.

Isn't he saying that the initial evidence of the respondent takes precedence over anything new? So he's pointing out that if they submit something else, the first will be taken? I bloody hope that's what he's saying

@highame

Isn't he saying that the initial evidence of the respondent takes precedence over anything new? So he's pointing out that if they submit something else, the first will be taken? I bloody hope that's what he's saying

This makes more sense, surely? I'm not a legal person though!

i took him to mean the respondent in this hearing which is Bell etc, so more optimistic

I am having real difficulty with the sound but earlier on it seemed that they were saying the previous Judge didn't take enough account of something they had submitted.

Isn't the respondent Tavistock. It was Bell & Mrs A vs Tavistock

No, original case was Bell - claimant - v Tavistock - defendant and now Tavi have lodged appeal so Tavi is appellant and Bell is respondent

The respondent is Bell, not the Tavistock. The Tavistock is the appellant. No cause for concern.

Place marking. I don't have time to watch the live stream but I wish Keira's team all the best.

Thanks for that. It seems as though suddenly the Tavistock has become a massively organised and knowledgeable organisation. How did that happen in such a short space of time?

Sorry if I've got my respondent and defendent mixed up there. If the judge is saying that in the appeal proceedings the appellant needs evidence convincing enough to overturn the other side's evidence then that's great.

Yes, Sarah Phillimore said on Twitter that the respondents are Keira Bell and Mrs A 👍

They seem to have lots of 'bitty' evidence at the moment rather than the dragon slayer. I think that might be good too

Can anyone link to anyone live tweeting please?

Is anyone comprehensively live tweeting? Sarah P has had to stop for her own work.

Counsel for the appellant now arguing that puberty blockers are wholly reversible.

Judge pointing out a contradiction, that you can't say the treatment is completely reversible when by their own admission, they have to wait until this cohort are fully grown up to understand the full side effects.

Haven't been able to find anyone. V annoying as I'm missing an awful lot

@CardinalLolzy

Is anyone comprehensively live tweeting? Sarah P has had to stop for her own work.

Perhaps not because of the live stream. I can't put it on here.

Can't believe they still have to wear those ridiculous wigs

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