Keira Bell and Mrs A vs. Tavistock - Court of Appeal hearing 23 & 24 June 2021

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The appeal hearing will be live streamed this Wednesday 23 & Thursday 24 June, 10:30am

Background

1. The High Court decided in Mrs A and Keira Bell’s favour on 1st December 2020 that puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones are experimental treatments which cannot be given to children in most cases without application to the court. Full details of the original case:

www.transgendertrend.com/keira-bell-high-court-historic-judgment-protect-vulnerable-children/

1. The High Court decided in the case of AB on 26 March 2021 thatPARENTScan consent to their children receiving puberty blocking treatment when their children lack the capacity to consent.

1. Court of Appeal 23 & 24 June 2021 Keira Bell and Mrs A’s legal team is dealing with legal submissions from 7 intervenors who want to see the judgement of the Divisional Court overturned. “A significant task in defending the judgement of the Divisional Court. We are facing very well resourced opponents – the Tavistock being funded by the State and the other intervenors”.

But when they said people were trans, did they mean transgender or transsexual or just 'under the trans umbrella'?

If you've seen the revelations from the Times - it seems that this confusion around language is being cultivated deliberately as a Stonewall policy that they stipulate to employers - references to 'trans' not 'transgender', 'bi' not bisexual etc.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4280755-The-Times-articles-on-Stonewall-26-06-2021

Anything to confuse people or make them apprehensive they'll be highlighted as out-of-touch at best and bigot etc. at worst.

Thing is, there's a vast swathe of kids that experience gender confusion and many of them are lesbian, gay or bisexual but are too young to know that yet. Couple that with homophobic bullying in schools, sexual harassment of young girls and internalised misogyny, it's no wonder that girls that would not have otherwise grown up to be trans are getting mixed up in this.

I'm speaking not as a straight person and certainly not a religious person but as a person who went through these confusing experiences as a child and was well into my twenties before it clicked that I was bisexual and it was ok to be a masculine presenting woman and I started to feel ok about myself. It's such a common experience that those children need to be safeguarded and allowed to grow up to learn who they are. It's honestly tragic that kids are being groomed and they are being groomed to believe they need drugs or surgery.

I don't want trans people to suffer either but surely there's actually a case for allowing them to go through puberty anyway for all the health benefits that brings. Transitioning later might not be perfect in terms of 'passing' but perhaps the benefits of better brain, bone and muscle development and increased sexual function and preservation of fertility actually outweigh that?

@Steph751

I can see that you've bought into some of the more common misrepresenations perpetuated by some poor journalism and on line rhetoric in the UK. All I can suggest is that you speak to some trans men and women in good faith with an open mind and you may see things differently. But, yes, I don't think the two penneth of straight people with regards to support for conversion therapy adds much to the conversation.

This is oft-used, and is essentially an updated version of 'be kind'.

Talk to the nice trans people, or the ones the treatment worked for, then feel too guilty to bring up the impact on children and women.

I can accept that there are plenty of trans people who are glad they got the interventions.

That won't change my understanding of biology or my concerns about starting kids on a pathway of infertility and reduced sexual function with no decent scientific evidence or safeguarding.

I don't think there is anyone around who went on PB medication pre-puberty and stayed on till they were 25, tbh. Let alone anyone researching such people. I suspect there is a window of opportunity for puberty that closes, but how would anyone know until a good number of people have trodden that path?

I don't imagine anyone's true self is a child-sized, weak-boned, sexually immature individual who missed the puberty boat, though. Peter Pan is a story, not a biography.

And that's without even starting to consider the enormous amount of hormone-driven brain development that goes on through and after puberty.

I know we often say we wish we could keep our children the age they are forever, but we don't mean like this!

Quite a lot of twitter activity about a previous post in this thread....

twitter.com/blablafishcakes/status/1408706675482181634?s=19