Anyone have an update on the gun toting Brunel Incel who threatened Marion Millar?

[JustcameoutGC]

Would be good to know if he has been charged and chucked out of the uni for good

So no police action then, we can assume?

Don't forget that armed police have shot and killed a man for carrying a chair leg which the cops and other public thought was a gun. They will assume the weapon is real, err on the side of caution. So it doesn't matter atm whether the gun is a demobbed blunderbuss which wouldn't work in a month of Sundays and he has no shot for it anyway, the police will assume, until they know better, that he could and would do real harm.

@Jux

Don't forget that armed police have shot and killed a man for carrying a chair leg which the cops and other public thought was a gun. They will assume the weapon is real, err on the side of caution. So it doesn't matter atm whether the gun is a demobbed blunderbuss which wouldn't work in a month of Sundays and he has no shot for it anyway, the police will assume, until they know better, that he could and would do real harm.

I remember that poor guy. He was recovering from cancer iirc and was drinking lemonade. Someone mistook his Scottish accent for an Irish one and called the police, the chair leg was in a plastic bag. The police never apologised afaik. I occasionally used that pub though it wasn't my local. Harry Stanley. RIP. I don't want the Brunel cretin to share his fate. But I do hope he is charged with threatening behaviour.

gosh the poor thing, imagine not even being able to use university property to print a gun and then use your work Twitter to threaten people with it, without someone suggesting that some consequences might happen to you maybe. Truly trans people are tyrannically oppressed in this country.

I saw the post:

It was clearly a toy kid's gun.

The post didn't actually name MM or anyone else. It wasn't targeted at any individual.

Wasn't it like from 10 months ago even before MM got charged? I think police action if any would have happened by now.

The police have recently said themselves (in response to Gender Criticals who reported Sussex Uni students) that "while a lot of internet content is offensive, little of it is actually illegal". British laws lean towards free speech to allow for debates, protesting etc to an extent without half the population being thrown into prison I presume.

Thank goodness we've got a firearms expert on here who can tell the difference between a 3D printed real gun and a 3D printed pretend gun. Do spill your secrets, Margarita.

3D printed guns are viable. Who would be able to tel the difference between a fake and a real weapon? If the police can mistake a table leg or asthma inhalers for a weapon. And any idiot knows not to make death threats.

So, how would you feel sharing lab space with this individual if you were a gender critical feminist then @MargaritaPie

I'm sure the missiles in Fatty Kim's birthday parade aren't the real ones.

So nothing to worry about with North Korea?

So if a gender-critical womyn aimed a toy gun at an individual who spouted a different ideology would that be OK? I doubt it since even a ribbon tied in a loop is not OK.

It was clearly a toy kid's gun.

Is there anything you won't defend? Seriously? If this was the other way around and it was a woman posing with guns, it wouldn't only be ''toy kids guns'' to you then, would it? And it doesn't matter if they're kids guns if the intention is to cause alarm or distress.

The post didn't actually name MM or anyone else. It wasn't targeted at any individual.

This person was targeting individuals. ''T*rfs'' (known as women to anyone who isn't a misogynist.)

Wasn't it like from 10 months ago even before MM got charged

It was after MM had been arrested. The person used the #WomenWontWheesht hashtag whilst threatening to use women for target practice on the 3rd June 2021. Marion was first contacted by the police in April 2021

So what does it 'really' mean?

"I'm making a list of terfs tweenting #womenwontwheesht because she needs the target practice..."

Bear in mind the legal definintion of threatening behaviour is where the victim has good reason to suppose they might be harmed.

(The nub of the Millar case.)

For anyone wanting to step round the made up rubbish from MargaritaPie, here's a potted history:

www.womenarehuman.com/trans-extremist-investigated-for-threats-to-supporters-of-woman-who-shared-pic-of-suffrage-ribbons/

"while a lot of internet content is offensive, little of it is actually illegal"

Unless it's a female (or a transsexual person) wishing to state biological reality. The list of the ones taken to court over that gets longer every year.

Isn't it odd how a few tweets and a ribbon to express your views is evil, but pretending you have a gun and intend to murder someone for their views is fine?

And that this would not be accepted or excused for one second if the word 'trans' wasn't involved?

So the question is: does wholly unacceptable criminal behaviour become fine if it involves a trans person or trans beliefs in some way? And is this right, and should this be acceptable that any group or belief is treated in this special way under law?

@MargaritaPie

I saw the post:

It was clearly a toy kid's gun.

The post didn't actually name MM or anyone else. It wasn't targeted at any individual.

Wasn't it like from 10 months ago even before MM got charged? I think police action if any would have happened by now.

The police have recently said themselves (in response to Gender Criticals who reported Sussex Uni students) that "while a lot of internet content is offensive, little of it is actually illegal". British laws lean towards free speech to allow for debates, protesting etc to an extent without half the population being thrown into prison I presume.

Oh margy, margy, margy

It was multiple posts over a few months

Multiple guns, multiple poses. From pink hand guns to much more realistic looking semi auto weapons.

And lots of threats, some to specific individuals.

How you can downplay that I do not know.

How you can compare it to the recent upidity at Sussex I do not know.

But hey! We are left with absolutely no misunderstanding - you have absolutely no care for women. Any threat will do!

That such threats, which are illegal, are left unchallenged, whilst a small piece of ribbon leads to multiple court appearances, is a clear sign that some of the judiciary is captured, barmy, fuckwitted! As are people who think this is all fine and dandy!

Toy gun?

I’ve seen real ones (hey I have American relies) and seen 3d print replicas. I’ve seen plastic ones and nerf guns. If someone waves one at me I have to assume that unless they are three years old and it’s one with Mickey Mouse ears (although in America you can get working kiddie guns), that if they are batshit enough to brandish a weapon at me, they are possibly batshit enough to use it.

If you wave a weapon around - the least you want to do is scare and intimidate? The person in the ladies loo with a link and blue foil - just for a laugh or to intimidate?

From an article of US kids posing with their guns. This kid is 6 and probably has more sense that that balloon.

I'd be interested to know what Margarita does consider to be abuse and harassment. You apparently witnessed ''loads of Gender Criticals abusing and harassing' the Women's Officer from Sussex Uni''...but posing with guns and threatening to use women as target practice is not abusive or threatening to you...so what is?

Who and what are 'Gender Criticals' anyway?

Do they have a flag?

Can I just check in what the rules of engagement are on MN? Are you allowed to tell another poster to fuck off, or is that considered a bit rude?

yourhairiswinterfire

That is a very realistic copy of a semi automatic rifle. I wouldn't like tio be a police marksman having to make a decision about that.

Sig Sauer are the rifles of choice for our police forces, very similar to the one above.

www.sigsauer.com/firearms/rifles-pistols/sig-m400.html

@JustcameoutGC

Can I just check in what the rules of engagement are on MN? Are you allowed to tell another poster to fuck off, or is that considered a bit rude?

I think you can say something like, 'the views expressed in that post might come cross as the sort of views that might merit the fuck-off pills.'

Play the post, not the poster, kind of thing.

But who fucking knows today. There's been some odd deletions.

But what if they realllllly deserve to be told to fuck off? For example if they were an apologist for violence against women and girls?

There's a particular poster on here who has made repeated and unpleasant diatribes towards Scottish people. The fact that at least one of the gun toting individual's tweets was directed toward Marion Miller (a Scottish woman) by name while another suggested violence towards those who use the hashtag 'Women won't wheesht' which began as a Scottish slogan (though seems to be used across the world now), indicates a very personal and specific reason behind the defence of these utterly indefensible threats.

@KittenKong

So no police action then, we can assume?

Crazy when you think that the police can keep records of ''adult human female'' stickers as ''non crime hate incidents''. Didn't they say in court that they do this in case of escalation to something more serious? like pretty ribbons

And yet here we have someone who clearly hates women, is threatening to make a list of women to shoot, is posing with guns (that you'd absolutely mistake for being real if they were pointed at you), and the response is ''nah, nothing to see here''.

Keep putting certain groups above the law and dismissing threatening, extremist behaviour (some people even condone it) and it absolutely will escalate. Because they're being told that this is fine, that threatening to kill women is fine.

This is exactly the kind of person that should be on a police watch list (I hope to fuck that they are.)