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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is this the beginning of males being able to carry a foetus?

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DragonLegs · 17/06/2021 15:28

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9696597/Chinese-scientists-force-male-rats-BIRTH.html

I’m just wondering why this experiment took place? Is it’s goal to enable the male pregnancy?

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ScreamingMeMe · 18/06/2021 11:54

Absolutely barabaric.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 18/06/2021 12:22

Kimoko even the vegan society say take medication and treatment that you need.

As a vegan I find your position a bit extreme.
Agree about PETA although they will of course go.to them because they'll get the most sensational quotes.

PlasticDashboardJesus · 18/06/2021 13:03

Kimoko even the vegan society say take medication and treatment that you need.

They do, but that’s not giving their approval of animal testing.
Every vegan I know thinks that if humans want the benefit of medications and treatments that they should be tested on humans not animals

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 18/06/2021 13:14

Actually, it's a recognition that we are living in a non vegan world and animal testing on medicines isn't something an individual has an alternative to. If it was a straight choice between a medicine tested on animals and one not then that's different, but saying you can't have chemotherapy for example because somewhere down the line some animal testing happened is very narrow-minded.
I'm not arguing for animal testing, by the by, if you read Peter Singer's Animal Liberation there's plenty of evidence it's unnecessary. That's the RSPCA line too.
Just if you live in a world where testing happens and there is no alternative that's not a choice you are making.

KimikosNightmare · 18/06/2021 13:19

@MouseyTheVampireSlayer

Kimoko even the vegan society say take medication and treatment that you need.

As a vegan I find your position a bit extreme.
Agree about PETA although they will of course go.to them because they'll get the most sensational quotes.

Nobody "needs" the treatments I mentioned. Want is not the same as need.
MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 18/06/2021 13:19

www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/medications

SweetGrapes · 18/06/2021 13:26

On the one hand we see women's health, bodies, pain being ignored and not getting enough research. And on the other hand pointless things like this. Seems like both misogyny and disregard for animals on steroids to me.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 18/06/2021 13:27

Well, having not needed any of those treatments I couldn't comment. But I can have empathy for those who are infertile through no fault of their own. I don't agree with surrogacy for other reasons.
DS has cp and is likely to need Botox. Yes, he won't die without it, buy his quality of life will be improved considerably.

NonBinaryNumbers · 18/06/2021 13:36

I don't know why time and money is being invested on experiments like this when we already have more than enough women who are perfectly capable of having babies. It's not like we actually need to be pregnant.

tenlittlecygnets · 18/06/2021 13:58

Well, very little of that will be transferable to humans, will it? And a 21-day gestation period is very different to a nine-month pregnancy.

MondayYogurt · 18/06/2021 14:13

@NonBinaryNumbers

I don't know why time and money is being invested on experiments like this when we already have more than enough women who are perfectly capable of having babies. It's not like we actually need to be pregnant.
Perhaps because China is desperate for women to start having more children.

fortune.com/2021/06/03/china-population-growth-census-2020-slowdown-birth-rate/

NonBinaryNumbers · 18/06/2021 18:40

But I doubt there will be many men who actually want to be pregnant, they would have to force them. And it is easier to force women to have children than men - especially if it involves such an elaborate procedure.
The more I think about this experiment, the more pointless it seems.

NiceGerbil · 18/06/2021 19:13

My DH would!

I mean if it were really possible and didn't involve invasive stuff in getting an egg.

Might help couples where one or both of them cannot carry a pregnancy as well.

It's never going to happen though.

MondayYogurt · 18/06/2021 19:30

There are huge numbers of men in China who have no hope of marrying and having children. Who knows what they would do to have a child...

SpindleWhorl · 18/06/2021 19:46

To answer the original OP question,

No

NiceGerbil · 18/06/2021 19:48

There've been kidnappings.

Also in Japan where women are opting out of relationships/ having children, men in large numbers have opted out of society entirely.

In the end most men expect a woman and rather than looking at the things that they can't find one- sex selective abortion, the restrictive role imposed on mothers. They do other things.

I don't think those men would want to be pregnant. They want a woman to look after them/ home/ and for sex as well.

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