NHS badges

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I dont know if anyone else has seen this yet. My organisation is also public sector and pro Stonewall so wondering how long it is until we have a similar policy.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/aec64082-cbb4-11eb-b575-81b2a16c3be4?shareToken=203864c87d5e4519397c8dea43d8a407

If anybody has access to other toolkits - could they check to see if the same error is in it, please?

Bloody hell @EmbarrassingAdmissions

@PermanentTemporary

Bloody hell *@EmbarrassingAdmissions*

I know - I'm tied up with work now until late this afternoon but I'm seething about this.

I would genuinely, no sarcasm involved, like to know how many people who signed the pledge and read that (after all, reading it is part of the pledge) and thought it seemed a reasonable statistic? It would have to inform how you talked to anybody if you thought there was an almost 1 in 2 chance they'd attempted suicide in the last 12 months.

Understandably but ForwomenScot has gone in full bore on the badge scheme:

twitter.com/ForwomenScot

I'd not seen the part that (yet again) appropriates DSDs. As ClareCAIS says: Can I ask why you are dismissing the complex needs of children born with variations of sex development & conflating their needs with sexualities & gender identities. This is not an inclusive approach & leads to public confusion & loss of funding to our groups.

twitter.com/ClareCAIS/status/1404420560134754305

So if someone doesn’t sign the pledge does this mean they are homophobic transphobic people

How can nhs Scotland not have this in their terms of contract anyway like you won’t discriminate against anyone and do your job whoever you are treating

Why does it need a pledge

What a strange way for my government to act

Making staff sign pledges

I think it’s a way for ScotGov to sneak in claims that everyone supports self ID- I.e. get a significant proportion of NHS staff to sign the pledge without really understanding what ScotGov are going to claim it to mean and then further down the road, ScotGov says, “oh look X% of NHS staff signed the pledge, of course they support self ID!”.

I’m very cynical about the motivation of everything this (and TBF Westminster as well) govt does.

From the link up above

I am further worried by the wording of the endorsement by Caroline Lamb, Chief Executive Officer of NHS Scotland and the Director General for Health and Social Care mention “transphobia” in her endorsement. Which definition of “transphobia” are they working with and who decided upon the definition? How will it be policed? Using which policies? Did Stonewall or similar LGBT lobby group help write these policies? Yes, in many cases they did. Which definition of “hate speech” are they working with? Stonewall’s CEO Nancy Kelley recently compared those who have Gender Critical beliefs with Antisemitism, for women within the organisation who hold these beliefs the scheme does not create an environment that is open, tolerant and inclusive for all. Colin McFarlane, Director of Stonewall Scotland & NI even uses the term “gender identity” in his Endorsement when it is Gender Reassignment that is the protected characteristic in law, this indicates his intention clearly to enforce “Stonewall law” as they would like it, rather than EA2010 law as it actually is and this will have a chilling effect on the ability of NHS Scotland employees to advocate for themselves and their female service users.

NHS Scotland needs to read the room and distancing itself and employees from Stonewall, not blindly encourage us to run towards it’s death grip!”

There is already a code of conduct for nurses and midwives

www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/nmc-publications/nmc-code.pdf

The no pressure approach is working out so well already.

twitter.com/Gillian_Philip/status/1404409412568207362?s=20

So many organisations giving TRA's the opportunity to bully women.

I’ve seen the staff briefing on this for NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde and it says it’s to support LGBT+ and minority ethnic people to access healthcare.

Is there much evidence that wearing a lanyard encourages people who don’t access healthcare (and therefore won’t see aforementioned lanyard) to actually access healthcare?

I mean, don’t you have to be accessing healthcare to be aware of who is wearing one?

@Deliriumoftheendless

Is there much evidence that wearing a lanyard encourages people who don’t access healthcare (and therefore won’t see aforementioned lanyard) to actually access healthcare?

I mean, don’t you have to be accessing healthcare to be aware of who is wearing one?

Of course you do. It's the usual pile of shite 😂. What do they take us for?!

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

Our trust is in too much crisis to be worrying about stuff like this. we're fire fighting all of the time so none of this stuff takes up much space. I avoid wearing ANYTHING at work that shows my political or other alliance as we're not here for that, we're here to treat patients as individuals not force beliefs onto them and the elderly don't appreciate it.

Agreed

@Deliriumoftheendless

Is there much evidence that wearing a lanyard encourages people who don’t access healthcare (and therefore won’t see aforementioned lanyard) to actually access healthcare?

I mean, don’t you have to be accessing healthcare to be aware of who is wearing one?

Useful, somewhat relevant but probably tangential thread (several research links, not all related to healthcare):

Genuine question. Is there any quality academic research on the impact/effectiveness of EDI initiatives, whether awareness raising activities, champions, pledges, training, policy review or any of the other methods currently adopted?

twitter.com/AudreySuffolk/status/1404454931122343937

Of course you do. It's the usual pile of shite

Of course it is. I wonder how concerned anyone would be about a rainbow badge if they were seriously ill or injured. Anyone from the LGBT+ community can rest assured that if your life needs saving staff will be far to busy doing that to even consider which letter of the alphabet applies to you.

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1404485776600186885?s=20

Is there any evidence that health care staff have been abusing trans people gay men lesbian women ?

Show us th3 evidence yousaf

What a man is he

Not supporting staff that are totally worn out by the last 16 months.

Nope.

Wear badges and clipe on anyone who won’t sign their stasi pledge

I avoid wearing ANYTHING at work that shows my political or other alliance as we're not here for that, we're here to treat patients as individuals not force beliefs onto them and the elderly don't appreciate it.

This seems much more professional.

Hey yousaf

My auntie works in nhs in Scotland in getting patients ready for cancer treatment

She’s fucking knackered at end of every shift cos there’s not enough staff to do all the work

The nurses have their desks next to the door so they can get out fast when someone gets violent If their desks are at other side of room they can’t get out if someone gets violent

This is life for nurses.

Sort this out instead of pledges and badges

I just saw the rather creepy NHS Scotland YouTube video about the rainbow badges - and + includes intersex.

I use NHS Scotlands DSD services (I'm saying that in the broadest sense). My child is going through puberty now so I'm absolutely dreading him going to check ups/needing surgery because it will be so distressing for him, he's naturally very private about his private bits.

I am going to email the Scotland DSD - I don't know if that will make any difference. But you're got a clinical area of the NHS calling these conditions DSD, patient info assuring parents/teens you are totally normal girls and boys and another area saying you're intersex, subject to discrimination (I can't see any evidence of that appart from TRAs appropriating intersex), and part of a gender/sexualities group. I'm not sure if I'm really upset or mad but honestly I just wish they would take a moment to consider the implications of their "ally" status. Surely it would be better to stick with the existing DSD line that we are all normal, but some of us have some differences - those do not define our internal sence of gender!

www.sdsd.scot.nhs.uk/

Many with DSD are really angry with SW highjacking their issues. Without DSD, they have no way of arguing gender, even though DSD has nothing to do with gender. They have shown no empathy at all and believe their cause trumps all. They have become so entrenched that even the complaints are falling on deaf ears. Lamhan

Given the association with Stonewall, my honest interpretation of the badge would be ‘this member of staff has been inadequately briefed on equality law and may be making incorrect assumptions’.

[quote Iamhangingin]I just saw the rather creepy NHS Scotland YouTube video about the rainbow badges - and + includes intersex.

I use NHS Scotlands DSD services (I'm saying that in the broadest sense). My child is going through puberty now so I'm absolutely dreading him going to check ups/needing surgery because it will be so distressing for him, he's naturally very private about his private bits.

I am going to email the Scotland DSD - I don't know if that will make any difference. But you're got a clinical area of the NHS calling these conditions DSD, patient info assuring parents/teens you are totally normal girls and boys and another area saying you're intersex, subject to discrimination (I can't see any evidence of that appart from TRAs appropriating intersex), and part of a gender/sexualities group. I'm not sure if I'm really upset or mad but honestly I just wish they would take a moment to consider the implications of their "ally" status. Surely it would be better to stick with the existing DSD line that we are all normal, but some of us have some differences - those do not define our internal sence of gender!

www.sdsd.scot.nhs.uk/[/quote]
Oh gosh. That’s not good at all

Yes get in touch with them and see if they can help

The DSD appropriation is shocking.

Also, I doubt any BAME groups were consulted on including minority ethnic (not just LGBT ME but all ME).

Nothing in info from Stonewall or gov has any bearing on needs of minority ethnic people or healthcare inequalities. It seems insulting and opportunistic.

The appropriation of DSD is disgraceful and as a parent you must find it enraging @Iamhangingin You have my great sympathy.

Repeated requests not to be included or used as some sort of gotcha are ignored and the accompanying ignorance, implying it proves sex is on a spectrum etc is beyond dispiriting.

I hope puberty and ongoing treatment goes well for your child.

Surely it would be better to stick with the existing DSD line that we are all normal, but some of us have some differences - those do not define our internal sence of gender!

I'm sorry for the insensitivity of that toolkit.

When are SW and their supporters take heed of the community that repeatedly asks not to be drawn into this? I thought Clare's point was well made that this sort of appropriation can (inadvertently?) strip funding from the actual groups/communities that support people living with DSD.