Stonewall - do they suggest sanitary disposal bins in men's loos? If not why not?

[Avocadowoman]

I haven't read the FOI responses where Stonewall gave organisations suggestions as to how to make their workplaces more LGBT friendly.

I would have thought the lack of sanitary disposal bins would be a huge barrier to transmen using male loos.

Obviously they may choose not to use them for other reasons - but wouldn't it be an absolutely excellent way for an organisation to show how trans friendly they were?

Has it ever been suggested?

I would love to know - and I know the honest truth is just not going to be possible - the extent to which trans men avoid men's toilets, and presuming they do the extent to which is down to the fear of harrassment, the fear of violence, the lack of suitable facilities (eg bins), and simple common courtesy (don't invade the spaces of the other sex).

I suspect fear and courtesy are big factors.

I have often wondered this!

I think the main reason is that it would bring to men's consciousness the whole state of affairs and they are afraid of a backlash.

Which is why I think it is really telling that they don't campaign for it.

It has been suggested that there should be sanitary bins in male toilets for incontinence use in any case. I cannot see why they are not there anyway. It really makes sense if they need them too. Didn’t Lord Lucas bring it up in the House of Lords?

Because hypocrisy? Taking a wild guess there.

They also ought to have sanitary dispenser units. Perhaps given Stonewall's access to so many organisations they have also campaigned on this

@Helleofabore

It has been suggested that there should be sanitary bins in male toilets for incontinence use in any case. I cannot see why they are not there anyway. It really makes sense if they need them too. Didn’t Lord Lucas bring it up in the House of Lords?

Bins for sanitary protection disposal are separate from bins provided for continence products/nappies (which is why you should get both in fully accessible toilets and hospital toilets)

I can only comment on their position with regards to schools, but DS’s (secondary) school was encouraged to provide some gender neutral toilets which would include sanitary bins and dispensers. Unisex toilets is the other thing that was suggested, but only in the yet-to-be-built new block as it’s hard to reverse engineer existing arrangements with the correct privacy (e.g. completely self contained cubicles with wash basins).

I think Stonewall are batshit crazy and their trans agenda is the very definition of mission drift, but I don’t think this was necessarily bad advice. I know a butch lesbian who feels uncomfortable using women’s loos, so I imagine a third option might appeal to a lot of people.

Gee I'm beginning to suspect Stonewall and other TRA organisations only care about transpeople who have penises...

A few years ago, I believe an Oxford college added bins to the men's loos. IIRC some of the blokes objected and trashed them.

HazeyJaneII

ahhhh! That would be why then. Thanks.

But, to be fair have Stonewall ever campaigned for urinals in the women's loo?

From what I understand about Stonewall law is that they campaign for all loos to be multi gender and not segregated at all, so you end up with a system where women have to walk past a row of urinals to get to the cubicles which contain bins (and you need to shout to your friend to pass a bunch of loo roll underneath).
Hooray Stonewall law!

@GNCQ

But, to be fair have Stonewall ever campaigned for urinals in the women's loo?

From what I understand about Stonewall law is that they campaign for all loos to be multi gender and not segregated at all, so you end up with a system where women have to walk past a row of urinals to get to the cubicles which contain bins (and you need to shout to your friend to pass a bunch of loo roll underneath).
Hooray Stonewall law!

There is no such thing as "Stonewall law".

Ok tell that to Stonewall

@GNCQ

But, to be fair have Stonewall ever campaigned for urinals in the women's loo?

From what I understand about Stonewall law is that they campaign for all loos to be multi gender and not segregated at all, so you end up with a system where women have to walk past a row of urinals to get to the cubicles which contain bins (and you need to shout to your friend to pass a bunch of loo roll underneath).
Hooray Stonewall law!

Males don't 'need' urinals - the lack of them would not be a barrier to them using a particular loo - they would use a cubicle. I would have thought that a transwoman using the ladies would prefer a cubicle to a urinal. Stonewall campaigning for urinal's in the ladies so that transwomen could expose their penises to women using the ladies would create a pretty big backlash I would have thought.

Females (including transmen) need cubicles and sanitary disposal facilities. So transwomen face a big barrier to 'using the facilities of their preferred gender' without sanitary bins.

The men's loos at my very woke employer have both sanitary disposal bins in the cubicles and also free sanpro products by the sinks.

I assume the women's loos have the same, although I haven't checked.

Avocadowoman
Males don't 'need' urinals - the lack of them would not be a barrier to them using a particular loo - they would use a cubicle

It's not the weeing men who need them (otherwise we'd all have them in our home bathroom!) It's the other people using a public loo who need men to use a standing urinal rather than loo seat system.

Splashback/dripping etc.

Please keep urinals for men if as a society we're moving towards mixed sex everything.
I'm not sitting on dry piss thank you.

Stonewall campaigning for urinal's in the ladies so that transwomen could expose their penises to women using the ladies would create a pretty big backlash I would have thought

That's why they aren't. That's why they aren't campaigning for period bins in the men's loo either.

They're campaigning for mixed gender toilets in schools/public places, or the self ID system where everyone can pick and choose which loos.

or the self ID system where everyone can pick and choose which loos.

But the 'choice' really isn't there if only one set of loos have sanitary disposal bins.

So alongside campaigning for self-ID, they ought to campaign for sanitary disposal in 'loos which have urinals and are marked men'.

Because otherwise they are campaigning for transwomen to be able to use women's loos but not enabling transmen to use mens.

@GNCQ

Ok tell that to Stonewall

I am sure that Stonewall are aware of that but I am not sure that you are, hence my comment.

@GNCQ

Stonewall campaigning for urinal's in the ladies so that transwomen could expose their penises to women using the ladies would create a pretty big backlash I would have thought

That's why they aren't. That's why they aren't campaigning for period bins in the men's loo either.

They're campaigning for mixed gender toilets in schools/public places, or the self ID system where everyone can pick and choose which loos.

No, they are campaigning to have women's sex-reserved spaces taken away from them.

I frequently walk past urinals when using toilets in France.

@Melitza

I frequently walk past urinals when using toilets in France.

And France frequently has squat toilets, which are not popular in the UK.