I don't much care for the 'gender critical' handle. Is there anything better.

[JustcameoutGC]

I am relatively new to the Women's versus trans rights debate. Despite my very lefty leanings, I have ended up on the gender critical side for a few reasons. My training as a scientist, my sense of fairness, my personal reaction to the attempted erasure of language like 'women' and 'mother' and the hideous places that he total enforce t of TWAW takes us.

However, I really don't like the terminology of gender critical feminist. I would much rather be defined by what I do believe in rather that what I am critical of. And I am not critical of gender per se, it is the pseudo religion of gender ideology that I have a beef with.

I know sex is real, and immutable
Sport needs to be fair for it to work
Women on jail need to be free of worry about rape
Women need single sex spaces

Is there a terminology that frames this position in a less negative way than 'gender critical'?

@RedDeerRunning

'sex reality'

Sorry that sounds like a PS5 game.

Apologies- I misread women’s as “women”.

Back to Bamemburg with you.

But once again back to what is a woman?

A woman is an adult human female.

I know that, you know that, but can you be arsed with the debate every time the word is used?

I call it female-centred feminism, as the issues I care about are sex based and concern the female sex. And as you say, the term women has deliberately been obfuscated so that some can claim it doesn’t mean what it does mean. I include transmen in my feminism and want a fair and accepting society for all. I support Fionne etc in advocating for third spaces as a solution.

I call it female-centred feminism, as the issues I care about are sex based and concern the female sex.

I could go with this, not very short but close to what I feel about it

@UhtredRagnarson

I am relatively new to the Women's versus trans rights debate.

Interesting way of framing it....

My first thought when reading the OP too. What trans rights are women against?

Is there a reason you want a label?

I think a lot of the words ‘feminist’ ‘radical feminist’ ‘gender critical’....all mean different things to different people. I

I prefer to just say why I think about each topic/issue rather than describe myself with an overarching label.

Like it cyber worrier. Female, definitely less contentious as a word than woman. (We can come back for woman later, I will not abandon her)

Feminism definitely, it is a vital word and act.

Centred, feels very positive and focused.

Best so far.

I know that, you know that, but can you be arsed with the debate every time the word is used?

No, on the issue of how to define a woman I'm very firmly #nodebate.

Radical feminists have always rejected gender nonsense, it's not new. Women and men can describe themselves as gender critical so it's not a uniquely feminist position. Some women describe themselves as feminists but are not gender critical.

"Proper feminist"?

I didn't say anywhere I was against trans rights. I said there is a clash of trans versus women's rights.

@JustcameoutGC

I didn't say anywhere I was against trans rights. I said there is a clash of trans versus women's rights.

I think its confusion over how you worded the original post “women’s vs trans rights” rather than woman’s rights vs trans rights.

Really good question @Totallyrandomname. I think I am more uncomfortable with the label I feel I have been given, rather than in desperate need of a label that fits. Quite ironic as I think the need to label has in part got us where we are. I need to chew that over a bit.

‘Feminism’ that doesn't centre women isn’t feminism. How can it be? Protecting women’s single-sex spaces is essential. I’m sure there are all kinds of pleasing words for women who prioritise men and think we should let anyone in — but feminist isn’t one of them. So I just call myself a feminist, and explain this if necessary.

As opposed to the Know Nothings (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing) , it would, indeed, be better to define the Gender Criticals as something that doesn't sound so negative, so tisking.
We know that there are two sexes, that the way each sex behaves is to some extent due to society's norms, and that there's nothing wrong with either sex going against those norms. There's certainly no need to make a Procrustean bed of the human body, stretching bits and chopping some others off so that the person fixing the car or knitting a tea-cosy looks a little more as though they belong to the 'appropriate' sex for those activities (provided you squint a little, and the light's behind them).

We are accepting. We don't have rigid templates of sex-appropriate behaviour.

Not the Know Nothings. More the Genned Up. Geddit? Geddit?

I may have had some apologies if phrasing isn't crystal clear.

See Seren’s tweet - problem is that the wording implies that trans people’s rights at stake in uk. Only rights trans people don’t have is the sex based rights of the opposite sex (in the uk, luckily we are a safe country for trans people in comparison to other places and in comparison to levels of safety for women). Glad you like my wording!

twitter.com/serenstar4/status/1400900959010701312?s=21

Gender doesn't exist, so gender atheist, or gender realist.

Ooh can I shamelessly link to my own thread? I thought the same as you OP after watching a PP YouTube video. She uses "Femalist" rather than GC Feminist. I think I'll opt for "Feminist" even though the word has been "queered"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4222602-Femalism-Femalist

I describe myself as “a feminist (not the fun kind)”

@JustcameoutGC

Back to Bamemburg with you.

Just reading around my mantra will be

"Biology is not bigotry"

So, I think gender does exist in the form of gender stereotypes and expectations. I think gender identity is total bollocks. Maybe we should be gender identity deniers. GIDS. What could go wrong?