Oxford University submission to Stonewall's Workplace Equality Index

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I couldn't see this posted any where else .. apologies if I've missed it.
Helen Joyce posted this on twitter yesterday Oxford Uni's's submission to Stonewall's WorkPlace Equality Index. It's 100 pages, don't try and read it all, but well worth a look. PLEASE look at the various illustrations at the end.

What a complete and utter waste of time and it makes Oxford look like a complete laughing stock.
I cant stop laughing. Still don't know why the giraffe is there. Is it one of Dawn Butlers?

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/725260/response/1738979/attach/3/Annex%20A%20WEI%202020.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

But you CAN have it both ways Webuilt, thats the beauty of Trans.

I couldn’t even work out what the “stats crime” slide was demonstrating. Was it the number of crimes recorded against people with the protected characteristic of race, sexual orientation, disability, gender reassignment?

And why were global stats then included?

I sincerely hope this isn’t indicative of Oxford student data presentation standards.

Also, the “stats crime” bit - claims that there are 30,000 trans people in the UK?

I would love to know where this number comes from. Stonewall estimates 600,000; the government estimates 200,000 to 500,000; and the number with GRCs is 5,000. So whatever source they have, it's not one of those.

Let's assume the University of Oxford believes the 30,000 figure to be correct. You then have to ask: why on earth is all this resource being put into accommodating a tiny minority of people - smaller than the population of Banbury? (43,000, in case anyone's interested). The same table shows there are more than 11m disabled people in the UK. What is the university doing to support and accommodate them?

Incidentally, the table itself is a mess. It gives figures for "Race" (wtf is that supposed to mean?) and "sexual orientation" rather than, for example, "black people" or "gay people".

Coming from a university that styles itself as one of the finest in the world, this is an utter embarrassment.

I couldn’t even work out what the “stats crime” slide was demonstrating. Was it the number of crimes recorded against people with the protected characteristic of race, sexual orientation, disability, gender reassignment?

Good point - I assumed it was crimes by those groups, but who knows?

The phrase "one in two worldwide" under "sexual assault" is equally impossible to decipher.

“Most place” sounds unpleasant, people get attacked there, so as an act of solidarity, I’m taking it off my holiday destinations list.

"These people" is very othering, isn't it?

Also, the “stats crime” bit - claims that there are 30,000 trans people in the UK?

Meanwhile, Stonewall claims there are 600,000?

At 600,000 trans people in the UK, then 1 murder a year (a reasonable figure looking back at the past decade) means that the homicide rate for trans people is under 2 per million population (where the relevant population is of trans people).

For 2020, the homicide rate in the UK was about 12 per million population, with the rate for males (17 per million population) almost three times that for females (6 per million population).

Because this shows that trans people are a relatively very safe demographic, 600,000 needs to be replaced with 30,000 so that at 1 murder a year then the homicide rate for trans people is about 30 per million population (where the population is of trans people). In other words, setting the population at 30,000 increases the claimed risk of homicide for trans people in the UK by a factor of 20 times.

I wonder if Most Place is near to No Place.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Place

I see. As a musician I really doubt it’s impossible to tell the difference between a plastic and a wooden recorder when played.

I agree, woodwind player here. Also the pink thing has always been about men, not lesbians. We had black triangles, which all seems a bit grim now but was normal in the 80s (along with the labrys and double woman symbol).

My crappy google translator gives La Mayoría del Lugar for 'Most Place', which I think you'll agree sounds like a Spanish village with Wickerman tendencies.

At 600,000 trans people in the UK, then 1 murder a year (a reasonable figure looking back at the past decade) means that the homicide rate for trans people is under 2 per million population (where the relevant population is of trans people).

This is where somebody who is good with probability might need to compare the relative populations with the comparable populations (although I see the difficulties there). If transwomen had a > risk of being the victim of murder/manslaughter than transmen - there would need to be some agreement on the relative size of the populations. This would probably start tumbling into age demographics.

But, attempting to make sense of those slides is futile (except for asking Oxford to be accountable for them - that's exquisite). Oxford's DEI staff squandered enough of people's lives and attention by delivering that training to them.

@TheHandmadeTail

Thanks Councilworker. Apparently male giraffes have both hetero and homosexual sex which makes them non-binary...?

Isn't it more necking than full-blown sex?

It wasn't a go at producing something authoritative just musing about how trans activists will sometimes argue that there are many trans people for the narrative "it's so common you'll be meeting them continually in your day-to-day life without noticing" and then at other times will argue there are very few for the narratives "what difference could a tiny minority make?", "look at how terribly at risk trans people are, for only a few tens of thousands they're exposed to hatred, violence, and even murder to a shocking degree".

The pink recorder immediately put me in mind of the euphemism "playing the pink oboe". I'm not sure that's what the authors had in mind.

I thought it was a pink baseball bat at first. Terrible that's what now comes to mind.

It wasn't a go at producing something authoritative

It wasn't a criticism - sorry if it came across that way. It's such a bad slide and I just wondered why Oxford staff were so unwilling to perform any due diligence or even think about the numbers or what the data are supposed to represent.

Isn't it more necking than full-blown sex?

Sigh. So the cream of British universities are teaching that women have women's brains to match their womanly gonads

I get the impression this was how they like to think and will be quite happy to go back to the nineteenth century before those inferior and impudent women were admitted.

I know many have mentioned the misrepresentation of the Equality Act, but here is the slide. It is do blatant

Still don't know what TA is at the end dies it mean thanks for listening?

Funny how they leave the protected characteristic of sex out in that strange 'stats,' page.

I too would love to hear the transcript to the presentation especially about the pink brains and pink gonads.

They did make the point that trans wasn't intersex or sexual orientation but that did seem at odds with the rest of the presentation. Very mixed up. Glad to see it seems that Stonewall have dropped intersex in their new strategy.

Well, look. The whole thing is about elves, so as far as I know it might be completely accurate for them.

@nauticant

It wasn't a go at producing something authoritative just musing about how trans activists will sometimes argue that there are many trans people for the narrative "it's so common you'll be meeting them continually in your day-to-day life without noticing" and then at other times will argue there are very few for the narratives "what difference could a tiny minority make?", "look at how terribly at risk trans people are, for only a few tens of thousands they're exposed to hatred, violence, and even murder to a shocking degree".

This is spot on. It's the tactic they use repeatedly - just making up facts, lying, changing their mind, misrepresenting research, in order to make whatever point suits them at the time. The 30,000 figure isn't sourced, and googling it doesn't turn up a source either. So it looks like they've simply made it up in order to make the murder rate look much higher than it really is. But if they really believe there are only 30,000 trans people in the UK, it does invite the question: why is so much energy being expended on these people?

About one in 30 of the UK population is at university at any one time. So assuming that is reflected in the trans population, that would suggest 1,000 trans students spread across the UK's 150 universities - or about seven trans students per uni.

More generously, perhaps the 30,000 was intended to be 300,000. The document is so carelessly written that that is possible. Though of course the calculated murder rate would then be out by a factor of 10.

I think the male on male giraffe necking is a dominance/social thing. My hens lower their arses towards me, because I feed them, I’m in charge. They aren’t wellyosexual.

I'd like to say that I'm shocked,but I'm not. At least it's funny ( if you can overlook the complete misrepresentation of the law). Dd1's college were pushing her to apply to Oxford,and she had a visit lined up, which mercifully was put paid to by Covid. She decided that it didn't sound like the sort of place that she'd be happy,so decided against applying. Looks like we dodged a bullet there.

I am greatly relieved not to be alone in having the 'pink oboe? That can't be what they mean' thought.

Christ on a bike. It's like a year 4 presentation. Mortifying for Oxford. 'Trans 101.... More 101's '. ???? How can this level of brain rot have happened?