Ace, Bi and Pan grown ups you see - Blues Clues, Nickelodeon Junior, Lindz Amer children's video ages 2-5 yrs

[FindTheTruth]

Nickelodeon Junior Blues Clues just launched a video for children aged 2 to 5 years old to sing along to.

Made by Lindz Amer (of (School video words just can't convey fame) and Nickelodeon Junior

It's called Blues Clues Pride Parade and lists different types of families. No. 6 is 'Ace, Bi and Pan'. No. 9 is 'Allies to the Queer Community'

"It's the Blue's Clue's And You Pride Parade and we need you to sing-along as the 'Families Go Marching' proudly"

LINDZ AMER tweet
I GOT TO HELP MAKE A REALLY QUEER THING FOR KIDS WITH
@nickjr AND @NinaWest GO WATCH IT NOW
twitter.com/lindzamer/status/1398298669691113485

@NewlyGranny

CandyLeBonBon, yup! But the NO bit means they aren't doing anything about it. If that were me, I might welcome a supportive group that made me feel less alone, but no way would I want an outing flag to march behind! I've never understood Pride, or pride, for that matter, things you had no say in or control over, like sexual orientation, birth nationality, height, race etc. Perhaps you won life's lottery and perhaps you didn't, but surely pride in something like nationality suggests that everyone else should feel shame for not being born into the same tribe?

The point of Pride is that it is the opposite of shame, and many gay people were made to feel ashamed of their sexuality.

The problem is that this has morphed into a movement that focuses completely on affirmation of identity in all circumstances.

I don't understand all the sexualities. I don't expect a child to, and they shouldn't.

What is meant by queer?

A lovely song. Such a happy little dolphin!

Just googled my question.

Merrymouse, I get what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that pride is the opposite of shame, you know? I don't think feelings always fall so easily into pairs like that. The opposite of shame feels more like liberation to me, or joyful confidence. I rejoice in who I am but it's not a source of pride because I didn't choose to be me. I feel pride in achievements I worked hard for rather than just random attributes.

@NewlyGranny

Merrymouse, I get what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that pride is the opposite of shame, you know? I don't think feelings always fall so easily into pairs like that. The opposite of shame feels more like liberation to me, or joyful confidence. I rejoice in who I am but it's not a source of pride because I didn't choose to be me. I feel pride in achievements I worked hard for rather than just random attributes.

I guess other people define it differently to you.

I worked at london pride 3 years ago. It was the first and only time I have been to a pride event. The children's section, which was billed as suitable for young audiences, had a drag queen reciting catchphrases like "Trans women are women" and "sex work is work."

I know this is a serious thread and I'm not a fan of teaching dc about the trans "umbrella" but to derail slightly: does anyone remember Rainbow with Rod Jane and Freddie? (To distinguish it from pride rainbow!). They used to say some inappropriate things but to dc it sailed over our heads. And things like captain pugwash with Seaman Staines. There's always some coke addled wazzock who think its ok to expose dc to this shit. Fortunately it didn't do the children of the 80s any harm.

@NewlyGranny

Merrymouse, I get what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that pride is the opposite of shame, you know? I don't think feelings always fall so easily into pairs like that. The opposite of shame feels more like liberation to me, or joyful confidence. I rejoice in who I am but it's not a source of pride because I didn't choose to be me. I feel pride in achievements I worked hard for rather than just random attributes.

Yes - I think ‘pride’ can be a strange concept, and it can morph into something that is quite negative - protection of ego at all costs.

"Seaman Staines" is an urban myth:

www.snopes.com/fact-check/captain-pugwash-double-meanings/

and if I recall correctly, the rude Rainbow episode was not one broadcast for an audience of children but was recorded separately:

www.radiox.co.uk/features/was-there-a-banned-rude-episode-of-rainbow/

@NewlyGranny

Merrymouse, I get what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that pride is the opposite of shame, you know? I don't think feelings always fall so easily into pairs like that. The opposite of shame feels more like liberation to me, or joyful confidence. I rejoice in who I am but it's not a source of pride because I didn't choose to be me. I feel pride in achievements I worked hard for rather than just random attributes.

I think pride is the opposite of shame.

They used "pride" to push back against "shame", but it's not the correct stopping point.

Yes, there should be no shame in being gay - it's not something you did.

But conversely, there should be no pride in being gay - it's not something you did.

Being gay should be a value-neutral characteristic - the "liberation" you speak of.

"Pride" was a reasonable tactical move, in the circumstances of decades ago, but it's not the correct long-term answer.

"Pride" was a reasonable tactical move, in the circumstances of decades ago, but it's not the correct long-term answer.

Yes - ‘Pride’ was very relevant for a particular group of people at a particular moment, but it can’t be applied generally as a cure-all for inequality. However, I think many people, particularly men, focus on respect because their sense of self is so dependent on being validated by others.

Ironically, I think this is exactly what politicians like Trump and Farage tap into. They also like a flag.

‘Pride’ is also an easy sell - an Instagram meme once a year is much cheaper than installing more accessible toilets.

I was born in the 80s, loved Rainbow, Rod Jane and Freddie.

Thing is even with stuff that may have gone over our heads (I honestly have no clue whether there was or wasn't- I was 3! 😁), that was the point wasn't it, some saddo thinking it was funny to include rude jokes that children wouldn't even be aware of.

This is indoctrination and deliberately introducing them to concepts they can't possibly understand and are completely age inappropriate. The way safeguarding has been torn up for this generation of children disgusts me- I'm so glad for the feminism board on Mumsnet that had opened my eyes to so much of what is going on. The 'secrets' thing in Jigsaw PSHE that I read about on here for example. I'm going to be emailing our school for lesson plans. I mentioned this to my local MP when he knocked on the door the other day and he asked me to copy him in. I hope with everything happening with Stonewall that light is finally being shone on all of this.

Is that paedo flag actually real?? I’ve been unable to find anything about it online other than a myth debunker saying it was intended as a smear campaign to lump gay people in with child sex abusers. Which I can actually believe some homophobic nut job doing.

I would treat the claim with some skepticism:

www.snopes.com/fact-check/maps-pride-flag/

However, Snopes which was great for years, in recent times became woke and now isn't above including propaganda in its authoritative findings of TRUE or FALSE if it supports the social justice point of view.

@ZenNudist

I know this is a serious thread and I'm not a fan of teaching dc about the trans "umbrella" but to derail slightly: does anyone remember Rainbow with Rod Jane and Freddie? (To distinguish it from pride rainbow!). They used to say some inappropriate things but to dc it sailed over our heads. And things like captain pugwash with Seaman Staines. There's always some coke addled wazzock who think its ok to expose dc to this shit. Fortunately it didn't do the children of the 80s any harm.

It's getting in at such an early age almost subconsciously that is what I find repulsive about it.