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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ace, Bi and Pan grown ups you see - Blues Clues, Nickelodeon Junior, Lindz Amer children's video ages 2-5 yrs

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FindTheTruth · 31/05/2021 06:38

Nickelodeon Junior Blues Clues just launched a video for children aged 2 to 5 years old to sing along to.

Made by Lindz Amer (of (School video words just can't convey fame) and Nickelodeon Junior

It's called Blues Clues Pride Parade and lists different types of families. No. 6 is 'Ace, Bi and Pan'. No. 9 is 'Allies to the Queer Community'

"It's the Blue's Clue's And You Pride Parade and we need you to sing-along as the 'Families Go Marching' proudly"

LINDZ AMER tweet
I GOT TO HELP MAKE A REALLY QUEER THING FOR KIDS WITH
@nickjr AND @NinaWest GO WATCH IT NOW
twitter.com/lindzamer/status/1398298669691113485

Ace, Bi and Pan grown ups you see - Blues Clues, Nickelodeon Junior, Lindz Amer children's video ages 2-5 yrs
Ace, Bi and Pan grown ups you see - Blues Clues, Nickelodeon Junior, Lindz Amer children's video ages 2-5 yrs
Ace, Bi and Pan grown ups you see - Blues Clues, Nickelodeon Junior, Lindz Amer children's video ages 2-5 yrs
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manatsu · 31/05/2021 22:51

Ok, when my mum explained that some people are gay to me it was in the sense of some men loving other men and some women loving other women. It wasn't in sexual terms because I didn't need to know about all that. But when you teach your kids about asexuality (being ace), it has to be couched in sexual terms, right? That's just not appropriate for toddlers. Nothing wrong with BEING asexual, nothing wrong with teaching, say, teens about asexuality, but I just feel you can't explain it to kids without also explaining sexual desire and that seems a bit...iffy?

FindTheTruth · 31/05/2021 22:55

I GOT TO HELP MAKE A REALLY QUEER THING FOR KIDS

I even added mastectomy scars. Get in there early to trans away gender non-conforming/autistic/gay/traumatised children

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FindTheTruth · 31/05/2021 22:57

it is iffy manatsu. And you're right, teaching 2-5 year olds about sexuality is not right

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Zandathepanda · 31/05/2021 23:05

I remember singing along to Rolf Harris’ ‘My body’s nobody’s body but mine’ at primary school - had the video and worksheets.
Catchy tune but v inappropriate now.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/05/2021 23:16

Yes Zandathepanda. Such an irony that Rolf Harris made some of the first safeguarding programmes aimed at children. It's a good warning about how often the most unsuitable / dangerous adults find opportunities to get close to children and why safeguarding means prioritising children's safety - not the demands of adults - no matter who they say they are.

BraveBananaBadge · 31/05/2021 23:26

Number 7 - all families are made differently. The end, that's all children that age group need to know and be accepting of. This is absolute BS.

I say this as I stand up for drag on here a bit and I've liked what I've seen of Nina West before. She's a Drag Race contestant in a comedy style - doesn't go in for sex or smut. Very funny and good natured and I knew she did kids comedy and songs. But this is stupid, confusing and indefensible.

The top and tail with Blues Clues - do they even know what they're sticking their graphics over? It kind of seemed they didn't.

FWIW I was mildly surprised how conflicted I was when drag race story time etc started to catch on in my area, because my first thought as a mum was I'll pass thanks - I actually wondered if people would think I was being funny not being into it, seeing as I'd go to drag shows myself.

Yeah I'm getting it now. Best to listen to those alarm bells...

ArcheryAnnie · 31/05/2021 23:34

Agree with everything said here. And to add: teaching children a slur - "queer" - that they are too young to understand is indefensible.

FFS the "all families are different" bit is enough.

BraveBananaBadge · 31/05/2021 23:54

Annie yes that really needs pointing out too.

person78 · 01/06/2021 15:16

This is really sinister. The words "pan," "queer," "omni," and "bisexual" have no place in programming for toddlers.

trancepants · 01/06/2021 16:46

I’ve spoken to my DS, 8, about people being bi. But in the same way he thinks about people being straight or gay, we talk in terms of ‘falling in love’ because sexual attraction is a concept he’s still too young to understand. He knows certain things about sex but in terms of reproduction not about attraction, desire, potential emotional consequences etc. Tbh, I just use the word bi and explained it means 2, instead of using the full word bisexual.

And he being a child actually thinks being bi sounds the best as he can marry his best friend and a girl, so he’ll choose that one.

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Aroundtheworldin80moves · 02/06/2021 06:26

My 8yo asked me recently how single mothers had babies. That was an interesting discussion (about what sex is, adults enjoying it etc... She has a cousin whose parents were never a couple, and her uncles wife is pregnant, not a completely random question!) It was confusing enough at 8yo. The bit about women marrying women and men marrying men was easy as toddlers. Sex doesn't come into it then, just loving each other.

Grown ups can do what they like as long as it's consentual. Leave small children out of it.

FindTheTruth · 02/06/2021 08:07

@Konthesouthdowns I've replayed that portion of the video several times but can't see the NOMAP flag anywhere. where is it?

Ace, Bi and Pan grown ups you see - Blues Clues, Nickelodeon Junior, Lindz Amer children's video ages 2-5 yrs
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FindTheTruth · 02/06/2021 08:10

sorry scrap that, just seen it. bottom of the float.

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WhatsGoingOnHereThen · 02/06/2021 11:33

Am I awake? Genuinely is this shit for real?

Please someone just pinch me so I can wake up and major networks are not openly indoctrinating our toddlers with inappropriate sexual content. It's like a terrifying nightmare.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/06/2021 16:05

This is one of those threads I'd love the mainstream press to notice.

SmokedDuck · 02/06/2021 16:19

I am just really agog.

Bergamotte · 02/06/2021 16:28

2 - 5 year olds can't understand sexual attraction. (and shouldn't have too) That's why you get toddlers saying when they grow, up they're going to marry their mummy.

Trying to explain "ace" to a child that young would leave them imagining that ace people were cold, heartless people with no capacity for love- which is completely innaccurate and is not going to make a child more accepting! Toddlers are not exactly going to discriminate against ace people when they themselves aren't sexually attracted to people and don't even know it is a thing.

Just keep having plenty of perfectly ordinary storylines that happen to include families with 2 mummies; 2 daddies; a single mummy, a single daddy; grandparents & grandchild; mum & baby who now live with the mum's sister; families where one parent works away from the home for long period (oil rig etc). No need to go on about peoples sexual preferences.

NewlyGranny · 02/06/2021 17:02

DD 2 was about 6 when a friend's mum, who had divorced and remarried, had a baby. Her innocent question about whether the new baby's dad was exDH, like the other DC, or new DH, and how mum knew (!) almost destroyed an adult friendship.

The idea of introducing little ones to concepts that many adults are struggling to understand (ace, pan etc) seems little short of lunacy. How do you explain all the different sexual preferences to someone so immature they don't even get what sexual attraction is? There's time enough for all that. All they need to know, as PPs have said, is that every family is different and there's no right or wrong way to make a family.

Though don't get me started on gay male "entitlement" to genetic children by using a woman's body.

NewlyGranny · 02/06/2021 17:04

I guess everyone starts life as ace, really!

CandyLeBonBon · 02/06/2021 17:19

Are they actually celebrating people who have a sexual interest in children? Have I read that right?

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 02/06/2021 17:23

@hazandduck

Oh my god *@IvyTwines2* I had no idea about John Kricfalusi! An actual paedophile! 😖
Well thats ruined the ‘happy happy joy joy’ song

How dreadful

NewlyGranny · 02/06/2021 18:11

CandyLeBonBon, yup! But the NO bit means they aren't doing anything about it. If that were me, I might welcome a supportive group that made me feel less alone, but no way would I want an outing flag to march behind! I've never understood Pride, or pride, for that matter, things you had no say in or control over, like sexual orientation, birth nationality, height, race etc. Perhaps you won life's lottery and perhaps you didn't, but surely pride in something like nationality suggests that everyone else should feel shame for not being born into the same tribe?

TheWeeDonkey · 02/06/2021 18:28

When I first saw this I had to check the thread hadn't been created in April 1st but then I saw a news article from a grown adult gushing about how this episode "validates their queerness" Hmm and I just don't have the words I really don't.