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Police forces admitting they would record a male rapist as 'female' if that is how they self identify

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highame · 31/05/2021 06:22

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1399049570110291969

From Fair Play for Women FOI's and all coming from the College of Policing who seem to make it up as they go along. How can they be accountable and impartial of they are in thrall to Stonewall. I would expect Police and Crime Commissioners should be involved in this.

If we have the Police making it up as they go along and the courts Equal treatment Bench book, we don't stand a chance.

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Leafstamp · 31/05/2021 07:30

I honestly don’t understand how this has come to be.

The grown ups definitely need to speak up and be put in charge at the Police because they’re currently acting a nightmare whereby people are arrested for stating woman= adult human female at the same time as male crimes are being recorded as female ones.

This has to stop and the figures must be reviewed and corrected.

Sexnotgender · 31/05/2021 07:49

Excellent work by FPFW, this is utterly atrocious though. HOW has this been allowed to happen?

EdgeOfACoin · 31/05/2021 07:56

Please let this make the national news.

This story also highlights the folly of the idea that the word 'woman' refers to gender while 'female' refers to sex.

TheWeeDonkey · 31/05/2021 08:25

That is insane.

  1. Self id has not been passed by law so why are police forces pretending it is?
  2. In a court of law you're supposed to tell the truth, so how does this work. You have to tell the truth until it is inconvenient?....to the suspect??

I'm trying to understand the motivation behind this and I'm struggling to find anything that is not deeply sinister and disturbing.

TheWeeDonkey · 31/05/2021 08:28

And in the mean time girls who are abused multiple times are being at best ignored at worse criminalised.

What the fuck is going on with this country

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highame · 31/05/2021 08:36

edgeofcoin I think chances are increasing that an piece will come along soon. I think the astonishment of most people will be that a person committing a rape can be classed as a woman. I don't think anyone can have any justification and it still makes me froth at the mouth when I think about it

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Queenoftheashes · 31/05/2021 08:46

A third of female sex offenders are male!! Fuckers.

ArabellaScott · 31/05/2021 08:53

I don't know, I thought this was completely accepted? If TWAW then of course a rapist can be a woman. It's completely logical.

Yes, it's ahborrent, misogynist in the extreme, but is anyone really surprised at this, especially coming from the police? As an organisation they've been solidly misogynistic for many years and show no signs of ever trying to address it.

If they're going to haul a mother in for questioning over some Tweets, in a country where rape has been called virtually legal, then it's not really that surprising, surely?

Maybe time for an inquiry into misogyny in the police, too.

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highame · 31/05/2021 09:08

At least we are under no illusions about the misogyny. I wonder if their total immersion in Trans rights is displacement activity - look over here, not over there

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Barracker · 31/05/2021 10:28

The met police have been recording rapists by self ID since 2009.

12 years.

Whatwouldscullydo · 31/05/2021 10:32

I dont even understand how they can do it. Given self ID isn't law and they can send them to the mens estate.

Its really just done as a fuck you to women isn't it

ArabellaScott · 31/05/2021 10:44

I imagine if your misogyny was so thoroughly engrained that you always, without fail, see males as more important than females, then you may not even be aware of it. You won't even hear it when women talk about it. It would be automatic to listen to a male and accord him whatever identity he pleases, if you are incapable of hearing, or understanding, what that means to women.

So the police can hear and acknowledge that men have a right to self identification.

They cannot apparently hear or acknowledge that women have a right to safety, privacy, dignity, it just doesn't even occur to them. And even when women point out the harm, they can't hear it. It's just an annoying buzzing noise from some misandrists over there who hate men. Who should probably be hauled in to have their thinking checked, come to think of it.

ArabellaScott · 31/05/2021 10:49

If transwomen say they can't use the men's toilets for fear of encountering men, this is understood immediately.

If women say they don't want males in the women's toilets for fear of encountering male bodied people, this is bigotry.

A male identifying as a woman is respected. And of course this male knows very well whose space he wants to be part of; choosing the women's space involves presuming the identity of all the women using it.

On the other hand, not only are women disallowed from identifying themselves (instead, we will be given the words to use when referring to ourselves - c*s, uterus-haver, person with a cervix, pregnant person), but we are strictly disallowed from identifying others, too.

Only one sex has the power to identify not only themselves, but everyone else, too.

It's not women.

Roonerspismed · 31/05/2021 10:53

It is astonishing.

Why is this not mainstream news on the BBC?!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/05/2021 10:57

Gah. I was feeling mildly optimistic after Liz Truss's statement about Stonewall. Now confronted with the awful reality of their influence on police forces, I'm raging again.

I know that this is the elephant in the room that women are banned from discussing - so well done to FPFW for persisting with this. The idea that Police forces protect perpetrators of sexual offences over the needs of children and women victims is depressingly telling.

Tibtom · 31/05/2021 11:06

@Queenoftheashes

A third of female sex offenders are male!! Fuckers.
I am surprised it is still that low.
Tibtom · 31/05/2021 11:09

@Roonerspismed

It is astonishing.

Why is this not mainstream news on the BBC?!

You mean a nice little piece celebrating how 'inclusive' the police are being? Perhaps even the BBC think that would be a bit much sunlight.
Cowbells · 31/05/2021 11:10

This is SO easily remedied. They put 'transwoman' Then everyone knows exactly what is being discussed. Why are the identities 'transman' and 'transwoman' so loathed by the trans community when they are exact, accurate descriptors?

Whatwouldscullydo · 31/05/2021 11:12

Any victim of a crime is stated as being a transman ir transwomen.

So perp- man/woman
Victim- trans status

ArabellaScott · 31/05/2021 11:45

@Cowbells

This is SO easily remedied. They put 'transwoman' Then everyone knows exactly what is being discussed. Why are the identities 'transman' and 'transwoman' so loathed by the trans community when they are exact, accurate descriptors?
I think if you surveyed the general populace, very few would know what 'transwoman' means. Most would consider that to be what is actually a 'transman', I think.
Tibtom · 31/05/2021 11:47

It easier to remedy than that: the police should simply record sex.

Is there a similar push to ask whether they also identify as innocent?

ErrolTheDragon · 31/05/2021 12:00

[quote ArabellaScott]One last one: www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/comment/72599/police-cuts-lack-of-training-and-institutional-misogyny-means-the-uk-has-effectively-decriminalised-rape[/quote]
Do they somehow still find money in their budgets to pay stonewall fees?

If any institution wants to be a 'diversity champion', it needs to consider all the protected characteristics. Race, disability and sex, L as well as GB and T.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 31/05/2021 12:03

@Barracker

The met police have been recording rapists by self ID since 2009.

12 years.

I'm embarrassed to admit this - my wrath when I read that brought the phrase, Take them down to mind. I'd normally castigate myself for that and think through how this can be repaired because it's the only way forward.

But right now - my wrath is hot and I'd like all of them in a room where they stand up and tell us all how this happened and how they begin to justify this and its manifest harms.