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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Twitter hates women

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FindTheTruth · 28/05/2021 08:12

Suzanne Moore article
suzannemoore.substack.com/p/twitter-hates-women

excerpts:

"Most women in political life now live with panic buttons and triple locks and somehow this is something we are to accept."

"I don’t. I won’t. I can’t."

"someone last night started calling for my arrest , saying I should be put in prison , it was a little weird though. One of his mates suggested “Bring back the death penalty but only for her”

"email from Twitter"
“Hello,"
"We appreciate all your help with this report. We’ve reviewed again, but we couldn’t find a violation of our rules."

TWEET
suzanne moore @suzanne_moore
So the harassment continues. Its been like this for years. I am just making it public now. I am changing my relationship to this platform as a result.
I will post my articles here and I am on Substack. If you don't know what that is happy to explain.

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FindTheTruth · 28/05/2021 08:29

Protecting users’ rights online is covered in The UK government's new regulatory framework and 'Online Safety Bill' is due in 2021 which you can see here online harms government next steps

I can't see anything to address the issue GC critical folk already de-platformed on Twitter, Reddit etc

Excerpt
The regulation will not put new limits on online anonymity. The regulatory approach will by design address abuse online whilst protecting freedom of expression

Effective transparency reporting will help ensure moderation is well-founded, as the decisions services make on content removal and user appeals on content removal will have greater visibility

Escalating enforcement sanctions will avoid incentivising content takedown, with judicial oversight to safeguard the most severe sanctions like blocking. However, companies in scope will retain their existing legal liabilities for illegal content.

User redress mechanisms will enable users to challenge content that unduly restricts their freedom of expression and to more effectively appeal content removal

Any party with sufficient interest will be able to appeal the regulator’s decisions, which is an important safeguard for the protection of users’ rights

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FindTheTruth · 28/05/2021 15:45

The Digital Secretary has laid out the scope of the new Bill — to keep people safe online, tackle illegal and harmful content and protect freedom of expression

Authored article
Oliver Dowden's Opinion Piece for The Telegraph on the Online Safety Bill
www.gov.uk/government/speeches/oliver-dowdens-opinion-piece-for-the-telegraph-on-the-online-safety-bill

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deepwatersolo · 29/05/2021 05:16

Twitter can be vile and I do not doubt a second that women get much more crap hurled their way than men.
That said, as it is I already feel they censor too much and if you go down the Route of censoring ‚bad stuff‘ it will always be the voices of the ‚less powerful‘ that will be silenced. And I reject that.
I had 3 accounts suspended for stating that ‚woman‘ is defined as a ,young adult female‘ and therefore women can‘t have penises.
Apparently that statement literally annihilates people.
In this light I think we should be campaigning for more free speech.
Incitement for violence and libel should obviously be the reasons for censorship, but not ‚hurtful speech‘.
In Germany, the first thing that happened was that Heiko Maas (a male politician) used it to protect himself from ‚bad speech‘ (that might hold him accountable) while every noname on Twitter still endured the same type of ‚bad speech‘ and nobody bats an eyelid. I think this is wrong.

AnyOldPrion · 29/05/2021 05:49

I don’t know the answer as to balance things, though I agree with deepwatersolo that Twitter censors too much. Unfortunately that censorship is heavily biased towards the groups they support. As another recipient of the standard e-mail wording Suzanne quotes, I was filled with rage at the lack of reason; they use “context” to imply “she made me do it”. I have no doubt that male-pattern abuse is fully operational on Twitter.

The only answer is to use it less/stop using it at all. I would hope that more openly abusive it becomes, the less it will influence politicians, other than those who are themselves abusive.

WarriorN · 29/05/2021 06:03

I've been watching that twitter twat. He seems deranged. It's v distressing

NoIdontwanttoseeyourknob · 29/05/2021 06:28

So a man can issue death threats but police scotland will get involved if a woman says things that might hurt a TRAs feelings.

Come and see the misogyny inherent in the system.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 29/05/2021 06:41

I was permanently banned for writing:

“Imagine being a male denying safe, same-sex spaces to females and also accusing those females of misogyny”

But because that male was upset at me pointing out they were male, despite the fact I was talking exclusively in terms of sex and never once mentioned gender or men/women, I am now permanently banned.

Like Suzanne, any thinly veiled death wishes on me were fine. Acknowledging people’s sex is apparently a worthy reason for death.

And they’re the liberal and kind ones.

It’s quite terrifying really.

FindTheTruth · 31/05/2021 22:07

@FindTheTruth

Protecting users’ rights online is covered in The UK government's new regulatory framework and 'Online Safety Bill' is due in 2021 which you can see here online harms government next steps

I can't see anything to address the issue GC critical folk already de-platformed on Twitter, Reddit etc

Excerpt
The regulation will not put new limits on online anonymity. The regulatory approach will by design address abuse online whilst protecting freedom of expression

Effective transparency reporting will help ensure moderation is well-founded, as the decisions services make on content removal and user appeals on content removal will have greater visibility

Escalating enforcement sanctions will avoid incentivising content takedown, with judicial oversight to safeguard the most severe sanctions like blocking. However, companies in scope will retain their existing legal liabilities for illegal content.

User redress mechanisms will enable users to challenge content that unduly restricts their freedom of expression and to more effectively appeal content removal

Any party with sufficient interest will be able to appeal the regulator’s decisions, which is an important safeguard for the protection of users’ rights

The online safety bill being discussed this evening. It could mean big changes, then again... depends how many people realise and respond...
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NiceGerbil · 01/06/2021 02:44

It's not just Twitter.

It's the internet in general.

As the outdoors was once men's shorts sphere, with the womens sphere being the home.. (and still is tbh)

The internet in general is male dominated and all over the place - games, chatboards, comments, you name it. The men see it as for them and women are an incursion.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/06/2021 03:32

Come and see the misogyny inherent in the system.

It's genuinely funny how prescient Monty Python was.

JediGnot · 01/06/2021 12:29

@NiceGerbil

It's not just Twitter.

It's the internet in general.

As the outdoors was once men's shorts sphere, with the womens sphere being the home.. (and still is tbh)

The internet in general is male dominated and all over the place - games, chatboards, comments, you name it. The men see it as for them and women are an incursion.

I am sure that a proportion of men actively like shouting down women. And there are a proportion of men who actively go out of their way to make women as comfortable as possible at all times.

I think that the problem is not that "men see it as for them and women are an incursion". it is much more that men do what they want and think is reasonable without any concern for the indirect sexism being displayed.

A group of men can have a very blunt chat without anyone feeling too unwelcome... but that can create an atmosphere that feels unwelcoming to many women.

IMHO the problem is much more men failing to realize and put into practice the idea that for a space to be welcoming to all then they have to actively make it welcoming to all, not simply avoid a few of the worst words and behaviours.

In a society where individualism is everything it is quite counter-intuitive to tell men that although they have a right to be as rude and blunt as they like, that although most men and many women don't care, that they should actively try to be as polite and respectful as possible as to not do that is effectively discriminating against women's rights to be heard.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 01/06/2021 13:42

@NiceGerbil

It's not just Twitter.

It's the internet in general.

As the outdoors was once men's shorts sphere, with the womens sphere being the home.. (and still is tbh)

The internet in general is male dominated and all over the place - games, chatboards, comments, you name it. The men see it as for them and women are an incursion.

Yes - mixed sex spaces are men's spaces as it ever was.

As Twitter is quite happy to protect vote paedophile accounts I have no hope for them anyway.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 01/06/2021 13:42

Vile not vote Hmm

MuffyIsMiffed · 01/06/2021 14:27

Well, I’m here after being permanently suspended for saying ‘Transwomen are male’ in the context of a sports discussion. I have appealed, but expect there will be no response. Twitter should be held to account and made to explain what is hateful about these statements of fact.

Letsgetreadytocrumble · 01/06/2021 14:41

I thought this was going to be about this.

Twitter are currently basically encouraging a pile on of Rosie Duffield, a female sitting MP, through their trending article.

Twitter hates women
FindTheTruth · 01/06/2021 15:25

Well, I’m here after being permanently suspended. Some have been wondering if the new online bill would get platforms to reverse their decisions to ban people. I can't see it in the links (previous post) but here's hoping. Like Helen Stanniland says, women have been banned from public debate, the town square for life.

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FindTheTruth · 01/06/2021 15:29

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

I thought this was going to be about this.

Twitter are currently basically encouraging a pile on of Rosie Duffield, a female sitting MP, through their trending article.

Oh not again. might be time to send more flowers. It's good to see so much support from women and men. It would be much higher if Twitter didn't silence and deplatform us
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AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 01/06/2021 15:33

@MuffyIsMiffed

Well, I’m here after being permanently suspended for saying ‘Transwomen are male’ in the context of a sports discussion. I have appealed, but expect there will be no response. Twitter should be held to account and made to explain what is hateful about these statements of fact.
Me too. I appealed, they said Id broken the rules for hate speech against a protected characteristic (gender) I replied “and what about defending the protected characteristic, sex?” I made no mention of anyone’s gender in my bannable tweet so god knows how they came to their conclusion. I only mentioned sex. It’s pathetic and laughable really.

My biggest frustration is how difficult Ovarit is to navigate or it would have been an easy swap!

FindTheTruth · 01/06/2021 18:03

True NiceGerbil. a better title would be all social media.

This reddit example 🤮

Matt Z.@Matt_Zeleo
Reminder that reddit banned every single female-only lesbian sub, big or small, but r/DegradingHoles is still running strong, 340k subs, 'Cis Women Only.'

You're only permitted to acknowledge what actual women are in the context of abusing and dehumanizing them.

Fuck reddit

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NiceGerbil · 02/06/2021 01:28

And, what was it. Gamergate?

Loads of other stuff.

FindTheTruth · 10/06/2021 14:26

Maya Forstarters lawyer says "Social media platforms ought urgently to take advice on whether they are impermissibly suppressing European speech and thought with a Californian scold’s bridle"

After todays ruling
www.linkedin.com/pulse/forstater-judgment-what-next-peter-daly/

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FindTheTruth · 10/06/2021 15:22

It's like Helen Staniland says, people who disagree with gender theory have been BANNED FOR LIFE from the town square.

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334bu · 10/06/2021 15:30

Great article.

FindTheTruth · 13/06/2021 21:38

Great evidence about Twitter's hatred of women here:
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/why-isnt-maya-forstater-verified?
Twitter gives blue ticks to literal p*s but not to prominent feminists

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Mollyollydolly · 13/06/2021 23:14

I got a seven day ban last week for saying to the Scottish Police I thought their treatment of Marion Millar was shameful. That was it. That's as nasty as I get .. so many articulate brilliant women have been silenced. Then you look at that Cox fella .. Feel like I'm constantly treading on eggshells on twitter.

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