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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

My thread has just been deleted

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thenonsensepotter · 25/05/2021 10:12

Are we now not allowed to talk about our personal feelings on feminist issues?

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EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2021 12:54

Well, www.adulthumanfemale.store/ is a good place to start.

Waitwhat23 · 25/05/2021 12:55

I was starting to feel quite despondent about the whole situation but a few things recently have made me think the tide is turning - the University of Essex report, EHRC not renewing their membership of Stonewall and the incredulous reaction Kirkcaldy Police got to their 'controversial stickers' tweet.

I firmly believe the tide is turning and that a dying regime is doubling down because they realise it too. The 'misogynistic monitors' who watch the FWR are becoming more and more desperate to stop women talking. It's not working.

Koolandorthegang · 25/05/2021 12:56

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

And yet, people frequently do feel free to speak for half of society. "Mixed sex hospital wards are great", they say glibly, speaking on behalf of me, my mother, and every woman in the country, without ever pondering that maybe they don't have the right to give away other people's rights.

I'm half-expecting to come home one day and find a female trans activist in my house, lending out the contents of my bookcase to passers-by in the street!

Do you really think that “half of society” agree with the OPs views on this issue?

“I’m half-expecting to come home one day and find a female trans activist in my house, lending out the contents of my bookcase to passers-by in the street!”

You need to get a grip.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2021 12:57

The 'misogynistic monitors' who watch the FWR are becoming more and more desperate to stop women talking. It's not working.

And if your post gets deleted, that will confirm their desperation!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2021 12:59

Do you really think that “half of society” agree with the OPs views on this issue?

No, I think the vast majority is society understand perfectly well that you can't change sex and women are adult female humans, and adult human males are not.

Waitwhat23 · 25/05/2021 12:59

Re: stickering and ribboning, check out 'women won't wheesht' for some inspirationforwomen.scot/03/04/2021/women-wont-wheesht/

I did my first slate (Debate is not hate) a couple of weeks ago and it's still where I left it which I'm pleased about.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2021 12:59

And yet, people frequently do feel free to speak for half of society. "Mixed sex hospital wards are great", they say glibly, speaking on behalf of me, my mother, and every woman in the country, without ever pondering that maybe they don't have the right to give away other people's rights.

Indeed.

Waitwhat23 · 25/05/2021 13:00

That didn't work forwomen.scot/03/04/2021/women-wont-wheesht/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2021 13:00

You need to get a grip.

You need to look up "analogy" in a dictionary. As well as a number of other words in common usage, no doubt.

BaronessBomburst · 25/05/2021 13:01

Thank you for the links and PMs.

Koolandorthegang · 25/05/2021 13:05

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You need to get a grip.

You need to look up "analogy" in a dictionary. As well as a number of other words in common usage, no doubt.

Oh wow insulting my intelligence, good one. You’re coming across as quite the snob. No surprises there then.
Thelnebriati · 25/05/2021 13:11

When you resort to personal insults I'll assume its because you don't have a case.

AdjustableAssholeSettings · 25/05/2021 13:11

I second joining the Resisters, I find having women to talk openly to is very helpful.
I'm also on Spinster.
As for children, mine is tiny but I don't doubt that I will be "too" strict about social media and Internet access. My concern is sex and PHSE education when they start secondary.

StrangeLookingParasite · 25/05/2021 13:15

Do you really think that “half of society” agree with the OPs views on this issue?

Every time they're asked clear questions, more than half do.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2021 13:19

You’re coming across as quite the snob.

No, I just tend to call out disingenuous posts. The poster made an analogy which fitted the point she was making. She doesn't really think women will hand out her books. So doesn't need to "get a grip".

ArabellaScott · 25/05/2021 13:33

Do you really think that “half of society” agree with the OPs views on this issue?

No, I think it is probably more like 80-90%.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 25/05/2021 13:33

Koolandorthegang

A grip on my books, you mean?

I see what you did there! Grin

Do you really think that “half of society” agree with the OPs views on this issue?

No. I rather suspect it's more than half. Do a survey. Tell them that more than 80% of transwomen do not have what is euphemistically termed as "bottom surgery", and then ask them if such people should use the open-plan women's changing room at the local munipical swimming pool.

The answers will shock you.

ArabellaScott · 25/05/2021 13:35

You'll note that someone feels it very important to come on here and berate people, fling insults etc, OP. That, too, is telling.

Some people just can't handle women discussing things. They really feel entitled to correct our thinking.

ArabellaScott · 25/05/2021 13:50

A survey here that might be useful, for anyone interested.

wingsoverscotland.com/transforming-the-question/#more-116295

thenonsensepotter · 25/05/2021 14:05

I'm glad that my thread has been left up so far and has even prompted a discussion. I appreciate you posting @Koolandorthegang although it's a shame you don't seem to have much else to go on other than getting a bit uppity about me making a generalised comment (another thing that seems to be acceptable if its offensive or derogatory to women. Funny that.)

There's a lot of helpful links here- love the idea of stickering and crocheting and will look at those this evening.

It's heartening to know that even though it feels very isolating in day to day life, there are other women out there who are working to give us a proper, sensible voice Smile

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Ellie56 · 25/05/2021 14:06

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

You can’t speak for half of society. My feelings aren’t hurt. Don’t speak for me or for anyone else thank you very much.

Maybe you belong to the other half then? I believe this is how maths works.

Grin Grin
thenonsensepotter · 25/05/2021 14:08

[quote ArabellaScott]A survey here that might be useful, for anyone interested.

wingsoverscotland.com/transforming-the-question/#more-116295[/quote]
I love the results of that survey. Surely it proves how ridiculous the whole issue is!

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stumbledin · 25/05/2021 15:10

In direct response to OP's question, of course you can and should be able to express how you feel. Feminism isn't some cold analysis.

Early women's liberation groups which created a hugely sucessful movement were based on groups where women shared experiences and feelings (consciousness raising), and from that then came up with an explantion, ie that the oppression they experienced came from men. Whether as individuals, or from the institutions and attitudes that men had created.

Being meetings IRL where outsiders were not monitoring language it was easier to talk about men with any number of descriptive terms and not have someone report you to some monitor for disrespecting men.

So how to dance on the head of a pin?

I suppose it is about being able to say the idea that someone can change sex makes me feel ..., rather than saying certain people make me feel ...

Not sure if that helps as I too have had threads deleted because I think the idea of what was being said made someone feel uncomfortable and rather than challenge the idea (in fact it was a research report) reported it for being anti something or other.

So I hope this wont stop you posting on here. It is quite honestly obscure, because in the end you are caught between other individuals who may have a personal response to what you have written and rather than replying to you run off to MNHQ. And then who ever is responding to the complaint then uses their personal judgement as to whether the complaint is valid.

I think you are entitled to say to MNHQ what do you mean "not in the spirit"? I'm new here. I cant intuite what you mean by spirit.

In fact it might helps us all if MNHQ wrote a short piece about this "spirit".

Confused
AdjustableAssholeSettings · 25/05/2021 15:31

From what I can gather, the spirit is to be "nice" and "kind".
What the fuck does be kind mean anyway

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 25/05/2021 15:57

What the fuck does be kind mean anyway

I always see it as a manipulative appeal to female socialisation.

Fuck that.

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