New name for women

[Dogwithabone]

If (and this is a very big if) it was to be accepted that the meaning of ´woman’ had evolved to include more than just adult human females, do you have any ideas of what the new and necessary single word replacement should be?

Wouldn’t the convoluted alternatives be unnecessary if ´goddess’ or whatever was used where biology was important.

Whilst highly contentious this is intended to be slightly lighthearted.

I was struck by my young grandson calling the largest star that rises in the dark night in the. Small children’s programme,
“In the Night Garden”, the Mummy star.

Woman and Mother are almost primal words, irreplaceable and loaded with meaning....

( That’s why certain people are so jealous of them I suppose).

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No. The word "Woman" is taken.

Even if we were to concede to being renamed; how long do you think we'd be allowed to use the new word exclusively?
They only want "woman" because they can't bloody have it.

Under no circumstances.

@Dogwithabone

I asked a very similar question on this board when I was new here. I didn’t see the point of arguing over a name.

The problem is that there are many areas where we need separation of biological males and biological females.

The most obvious area is medicine where illnesses, heart attacks and hormone levels all differ between the sexes. Getting the sex wrong may have fatal consequences.

There are other areas we focus on here as well, prisons, shelters, wards, sports. We need the sexes segregated to protect women. I understand that this is hard for dysphoric males, but we have had at least one trans woman here who is calling for third spaces. The women here are all behind her.

Finally, there is no common terminology amongst transwomen and their allies. Some say women, some say females, I thing I even have seen “born female” as that person considered themselves a female in their head since birth.

We need a word for biological women. To protect them. There is a word: woman. Transwomen cannot agree on any word for them or us and various transwomen claim various female words for themselves.

Unfortunately we need to draw the line at woman.

How many times and in how many contexts must we keep saying 'no' ?
No .

@Uppitypuppity
No problem saying, it was Rebecca Reilly Cooper. I believe she meant it as a way to stay out of circular arguments around 'what is a woman'.

There was a thread about it at the time - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3195757-Rebecca-Reilly-Cooper-suggests-We-accept-trans-women-are-women

Was it on reddit gc where someone said something like "if women started calling themselves znyrgyn soon trans women would be calling themselves more znyrgyn than znyrgyn, the znyrgynest znyrgyn that ever znyrgyned".

I didn’t see this but it’s absolutely correct.

Whatever new word or term could possibly be coined to designate specifically adult human females would immediately be appropriated by adult human males who see themselves as/wish to be seen as female.

Because they don’t want there to be any distinction whatsoever. They want to eradicate that boundary. Blur the line to the point it no longer exists. Erase us as a concept, as a discrete group.

They will allow us to be a subset of the overall group that they claim we both belong to, as in “cis women” as opposed to “trans women”, but never an entirely separate group in our own right. Because that lays bare the invalidity of their claim to be (in some vague, indefinable way) the same as us.

The reality that we are different from them, that they are different from us, is an unacceptable affront to their entitlement as males to colonise womanhood. It is transphobic. It is transphobic to recognise the fundamental, glaring, gaping, unbridgeable chasm of difference between us. We are transphobic for even wanting a term that includes us and excludes them.

So, no. No chance of us being able to avoid this by coming up with another term. The battle to reclaim “woman” goes on.

And the misogyny that has enabled the word “woman” to be appropriated like this can go fuck itself.

@stonecat..that's a nice big long one !

The thing is it isn't trans women that have issue with the word 'women'.

MTF trans people absolutely care about the definition of the word "woman". Hence the inaccurate mantra TWAW. A woman is simply an adult human female though, so the category doesn't include males, no matter how many times it is chanted.

Given all the crap that we have been subjected to, I would suggest Fury.

The thing is it isn't trans women that have issue with the word 'women'.
Eh? Wtf? 🙄

No.

Just no.

This appropriation is just typical. Women have something men want and so they try to get it by bullying.

It will just go on and on until we've run out of phonemes and letters combinations.

Even if we attempted, like Prince did, to use a symbol like the female sign (circle with a cross on the bottom), they'd object or call us "the evil bigots formally known as cis women."

I wonder if this will be enough "no"s to do us for a few days.

Repeat 7 million times and we might be getting close enough.

@Erikrie

I wonder if this will be enough "no"s to do us for a few days.

Repeat 7 million times and we might be getting close enough.

"and my personal favourite: man falling off cliff"

Whatever the name for ‘us’, they will destroy what they covet.

And the fury when they realise that ‘women’ ‘female’ ‘ciswomen’ ‘xxhavers’ and all the other smaller and small slices and dices they use to seperate and divide us, include only the xys and all the xx’s have left the building will be divinely epic.

When they exclude us totally and they are left with an echo chamber of their own making we will hear the howls of outraged effrontery from the warm nest of the vipers we are.

To ‘us’

No is a complete sentence

Genderism has no word that means biological woman. We had this discussion on another thread, and a TRA said 'adult human female' would cover it. But I've seen other TRAs describing transwomen as 'adult human females'. Like everyone's saying, whatever word is invented to mean biological woman, TRAs will claim it.