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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ann Sinnott of Authentic Equity Alliance vs EHRC Judicial Review of incorrect Equality Act guidance

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R0wantrees · 06/05/2021 09:45

The presiding judge decided that this should go straight to a 1-day oral Permissions Hearing.

This hearing will decide whether or not AEA can proceed to Judicial Review of EHRC and will also rule on request for a costs cap (to protect AEA) should the case go forward.

AEA about the case,
"Official sources provide unlawful guidance on the 2010 Equality Act!
Yes, you read that right! It's shocking, isn't it?

For nearly 10 years, unlawful guidance on the 2010 Equality Act (EA2010) has been displayed on the website of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) and on the Government Equalities Office (GEO) website for 5 years.

Over these ten years, the guidance has been widely accessed and further disseminated by countless organisations of all types. As a result, the unlawful guidance is reflected in the equality policies of organisations and institutions throughout the UK.

EHRC and GEO guidance is in breach of EA2010, Schedule 3, Sections 26, 27 and 28

This is a legal case to ensure that EA2010 guidance accurately reflects the Act.

The Complainant is Authentic Equity Alliance (AEA), a Community Interest Company established to promote and further the interests of women and girls."
Website: aealliance.co.uk/

Ann Sinnott (founder/director) twitter.com/AnnMSinnott

Twitter live tweeting of case via #AEAvEHRC and #IStandWithAnnSinnott

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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 12:49

J: Templeman L in the judgment, had anyone acted on the basis of the guidance there, do you know?
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R: in terms of clear errors of law, in that case there was a fundamental misconception.

In our summary grounds of resistance, we argue that you have to balance detriments to trans people & other service users.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 12:50

Provided it's lawful to have a single-sex service at all, is it lawful to exclude trans people from it?
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We say there is no distinction between trans people with a GRC and without a GRC.

R0wantrees · 06/05/2021 12:51

J: it's not open to the Commissions to make provisions of its own accord, but I got the sense it was making provisions?

Indeed.

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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 12:51

It is correct that a trans person defined as having GR protection is one with a GRC. Both parties accept this.
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Many trans people without a GRC may live in their acquired gender nonetheless.

thepuredrop · 06/05/2021 12:51

We say there is no distinction between trans people with a GRC and without a GRC.

Then repeal the GRA.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 06/05/2021 12:52

@thepuredrop

We say there is no distinction between trans people with a GRC and without a GRC.

Then repeal the GRA.

Exactly what I was thinking.
highame · 06/05/2021 12:53

me too

NecessaryScene1 · 06/05/2021 12:54

We say there is no distinction between trans people with a GRC and without a GRC.

I think we're all in agreement. Now they just need to complete that thought.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 12:54

can anyone take over live tweets? (I've got an appointment)
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BettyFilous · 06/05/2021 12:55

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We say there is no distinction between trans people with a GRC and without a GRC.

So basically any male can access women’s spaces and services, so long as he claims the protected characteristic of gender reassignment (which requires no medical treatment and no changes in presentation)? Is that what the EHRC just said? 😮😡

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 12:56

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J: there is carve-out for people with a GRC?

R: that would always be justified.

J: Parliament would presumably say that.

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R: it recognises that you can have separate- & single-sex services, but GR is a separate question.

R0wantrees · 06/05/2021 12:57

We say there is no distinction between trans people with a GRC and without a GRC.
Nor any difference between someone proposing to undergo or having changed physiological or other attributes of sex.

The logic therefore is to repeal the GRA and stop conflating and confusing sex and gender identity.

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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 12:59

R: it recognises that you can have separate- & single-sex services, but GR is a separate question.
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Separate changing rooms, as an example, or a women's refuge. Joint services are less effective, therefore single-sex are justified.
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It's unsurprising that you have a separate section re GR, because you can have a men's refuge or a women's refuge, but then must ask whether it's justified to exclude transwomen from a women's refuge.

I'm about to stop live tweeting. if anyone wants to take over it's here [[https://twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1390274622600458246 ]]

R0wantrees · 06/05/2021 13:01

So basically any male can access women’s spaces and services, so long as he claims the protected characteristic of gender reassignment (which requires no medical treatment and no changes in presentation)? Is that what the EHRC just said?

Yes if he is "proposing to undergo" then presumably EHRC considers he has same rights as a male TS with GRC who has undertaken surgeries etc

I agree with EHRC in that, in my opinion, neither should have rights to female single sex spaces and services.

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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 13:02

It's consistent with the statutory scheme that GR discrimination must be satisfied. Excluding a transwomen from women's changing rooms would be direct GR discrimination.
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You can't justify excluding transwomen from women's single-sex spaces. If your policy or practice is that only those female at birth are allowed in, this substantially disadvantages trans persons, therefore it requires justification.

Leafstamp · 06/05/2021 13:04

Thanks for the sterling work FindTheTruth

yourhairiswinterfire · 06/05/2021 13:05

If your policy or practice is that only those female at birth are allowed in, this substantially disadvantages trans persons, therefore it requires justification

And fuck what those 'female at birth' things think or feel about it, eh Hmm

thepuredrop · 06/05/2021 13:05

thanks for tweeting so far @FindTheTruth, I’m unable to take over as I keep being directed to a log in page.

Swimminglanes · 06/05/2021 13:05

You can't justify excluding transwomen from women's single-sex spaces. If your policy or practice is that only those female at birth are allowed in, this substantially disadvantages trans persons, therefore it requires justification.

There is only female at birth, there are no other kinds of females! Really, if you have to talk rubbish to make a point, it's a rubbish point.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 13:06

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You have to justify the trans-exclusionary practice or policy under s.19(2)(d).
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R: It’s likely to be justified to exclude both TW with and without GRCs.

allmywhat · 06/05/2021 13:06

then must ask whether it's justified to exclude transwomen from a women's refuge

But they also just argued that there is no distinction between trans people with and without a GRC.

And any man can easily claim he is “proposing to undergo a process of gender reassignment.”

So then you can’t have a women’s refuge.

I know this is obvious to everyone here, it’s one of the most head-thwackingly obvious contradictions at the heart of the gender agenda. It sounds like the EHRC’s lawyers might be making it obvious to the judge too? I hope.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 13:07

J: we will resume at 2pm.

R0wantrees · 06/05/2021 13:07

It's consistent with the statutory scheme that GR discrimination must be satisfied. Excluding a transwomen from women's changing rooms would be direct GR discrimination.
You can't justify excluding transwomen from women's single-sex spaces. If your policy or practice is that only those female at birth are allowed in, this substantially disadvantages trans persons, therefore it requires justification.

And to reiterate TW in this case means a male person of any age,
proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 13:07

phew. back at 2.

FlyPassed · 06/05/2021 13:08

I think it's even clearer than ever that we must repeal the GRA