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Ann Sinnott of Authentic Equity Alliance vs EHRC Judicial Review of incorrect Equality Act guidance

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R0wantrees · 06/05/2021 09:45

The presiding judge decided that this should go straight to a 1-day oral Permissions Hearing.

This hearing will decide whether or not AEA can proceed to Judicial Review of EHRC and will also rule on request for a costs cap (to protect AEA) should the case go forward.

AEA about the case,
"Official sources provide unlawful guidance on the 2010 Equality Act!
Yes, you read that right! It's shocking, isn't it?

For nearly 10 years, unlawful guidance on the 2010 Equality Act (EA2010) has been displayed on the website of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) and on the Government Equalities Office (GEO) website for 5 years.

Over these ten years, the guidance has been widely accessed and further disseminated by countless organisations of all types. As a result, the unlawful guidance is reflected in the equality policies of organisations and institutions throughout the UK.

EHRC and GEO guidance is in breach of EA2010, Schedule 3, Sections 26, 27 and 28

This is a legal case to ensure that EA2010 guidance accurately reflects the Act.

The Complainant is Authentic Equity Alliance (AEA), a Community Interest Company established to promote and further the interests of women and girls."
Website: aealliance.co.uk/

Ann Sinnott (founder/director) twitter.com/AnnMSinnott

Twitter live tweeting of case via #AEAvEHRC and #IStandWithAnnSinnott

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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:12

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It is more complex when it comes to males with a GRC, who are treated as "their acquired gender" whichalthough debatedis taken to mean 'sex.'
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J: they are treated as the sex they have acquired, as it were?

A: correct. But now they're saying "I am female" so, on what basis are services excluding them? They can exclude both males and transwomen.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:14

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Schedule 3 para 28 Equality Act 2010 allows this mechanism.
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If you have objectively justified excluding males, under the para 26-27 exceptions, its when an individual could have reasonable objections to the presence of a male. Perfectly understandable. If you follow the logic of that, if the
objectionable factor is their maleness, there is nothing left to justify. TW can be excluded on basis of their maleness.
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Men and women are defined in a binary manner in the explanatory notes, which I will come to.
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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:16

The guidance is unlawful because it misunderstands and mis-states the law. Both parties agree that if the COP contains errors of law it is amenable to judicial review. In which case the burden is on me today to demonstrate, with a realistic prospect of success, that there is
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an error of law in the COP.

The interpretation was summarised by the select committee.

Manderleyagain · 06/05/2021 11:17

This might not be a good moment to ask, but the juducial review is (if I have understood) going to question the lawfulness of the statutory code of practice:
"Issue in case is the lawfulness of the 13.5.7+ of the statutory code: "Gender Reassignment Discrimination & Separate & Single Sex Services."
But, the statutory code of practice is itself law. It became law in 2011 (according to ehrc Web site). I don't know if it was voted on in parliament like an act, or if it went through committees, or what. I am not a lawyer! But is it possible for juducial reviews to rule that a statutory code is not legal?

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:18

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The interpretation had the effect of making a single-sex service mixed sex.

At the heart of the error is the fundamental distinction between transexual persons who do and don't have a GRC.
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Those without a GRC are legally of their birth sex (not 'gender').

It won't be direct discrimination on gender reassignment discrimination on basis of transsexualism, not indirect discrimination, because single-sex services are already justified as a legitimate aim.

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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:21

Single-sex services and spaces do not require a double/additional justification. If they're women-only, you've already excluded males, therefore there is no need to go further to justify excluding a sub-category of male people who identify as transgender.
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Because a transperson with a GRC is of the other sex, the first justification holds.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:22

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Notwithstanding that they have acquired a GRC, they appear to other service users as male.

To describe a need for additional reasons for exclusion of that male is completely wrong.
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J: to exclude males suffices to exclude males without a GRC?

A: yes, but males with a GRC are excluded via a different provision.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:25

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If a male asked why he was being excluded from women's spaces/services, the reason for exclusion is on the basis of sex. A TW with a GRC is legally female, a rule that says "no males" does not exclude her.
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If service provider wants to exclude her, they will have to say "no males and no TW with a GRC."

Swimminglanes · 06/05/2021 11:25

Single-sex services and spaces do not require a double/additional justification. If they're women-only, you've already excluded males, therefore there is no need to go further to justify excluding a sub-category of male people who identify as transgender.

EXACTLY

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:26

J: the difference is that, without a GRC facts exclude males; with a GRC the sex-based exemptions exclude males.
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A: The COP expresses a political viewpoint. It's quite wrong to advise service providers that it's wrong to exclude transexual persons from women's spaces.

ArabellaScott · 06/05/2021 11:27

Thanks so much for posting the tweets, FindtheTruth.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:27

J: you end up saying there's not much difference in outcome to males with and without a GRC.

A: in outcome, in this context, yes.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:32

The COP is expressly about provision of services.
Definition in EA 2010 of gender reassignment: "...if the person proposes to undergo, is undergoing, or has undergone part of the process of..."
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Let's pause to consider how wide this definition is: GR purports to protect those who are "proposing to undergo..." This can be a state of mind, off-the-cuff. "I think I'm going to undergo a process of GR."
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Why is it important to understand how wide that is, and what that means? Women & girls are entitled to their own boundaries when it comes to intimate medical procedures, and not to be in the presence of a biological male however convincingly they pass as a woman.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 06/05/2021 11:32

Signing in, thanks R0

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:33

Eg. a woman using a rape crisis centre on the basis that there are no males there will not be comforted that only transwomen are there.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:35

Woman and man are defines in the EA 2010 in binary terms (s.212). "Woman means female of any age; man means male of any age." Sex.
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J: sex means natal sex here?

A: yes. Sex does not mean, in the EA, self-ID sex or gender identity, save in the GRC situation.

Let's look at GRA 2004. Provides for a process by which someone with gender dysphoria can apply for a GRC on the basis of "living in the other gender."
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FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:36

Intention to "continue to live in the acquired gender until death..." Acquired gender.

J: nothing to do with any physiological changes?

A: no.
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No physiological changes required.

Where a full GRC is issued, the person becomes "for all purposes" the other gender.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:38

Subject to other relevant legislation.
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Effect of s.9(1) when someone is issued a GRC their sex becomes the other one with some caveats, including schools and gender-specific offences.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:39

We say the COP misunderstands where the exceptions in the act speak in terms of separate sex provision.
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If a service provider relied on para 26-27 Schedule 3 to provide a single-sex service, the exception allows them to run an exclusively single-sex service. It follows that if the provider is a women's refuge and admits legal men, they're undermining the initial justification.

CardinalLolzy · 06/05/2021 11:42

Sorry to interrupt the flow of tweets but I'm not sure I'm getting the argument here re how TW with a GRC are excluded on basis of sex if legal sex is female? (To get the "same outcome" as those without)?

Procrastinator85 · 06/05/2021 11:42

The judicial interventions are extremely positive so far.

CardinalLolzy · 06/05/2021 11:45

Is the argument that the exemptions exclude both legal men (should go without saying) and legal women because biologically they are still male?

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:46

They reduce single-sex availability by admitting legal males.
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S.27 EA 2010: a person does not contravene s.29 by providing single sex service if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Gives examples of circumstances where person might object to someone of the opposite sex being present.
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It won't be sex discrimination to provide single-sex services in these circumstances.
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A person does not contravene s.29 re GR "if the conduct is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim."
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Statutory interpretation: "conduct" covers both acts and omissions.

Within the para 28 exception is a direct reference to the explanatory note.

FindTheTruth · 06/05/2021 11:48

Within the para 28 exception is a direct reference to the explanatory note.
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Example of application of s.28: group counselling session for women survivors of violence, lawful to exclude transexual people.

We say this applies to trans people with a GRC. Built into this para is provision of single-sex services, so those without GRC automatically excluded.

ArabellaScott · 06/05/2021 11:48

They reduce single-sex availability by admitting legal males.

No shit!