Woman exposes herself in car park ...

[Bobkitten]

www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/19264825.woman-exposed-glebe-house-car-park-haverfordwest/

The headline caught my eye; the article refers to this person as a woman and uses she/her pronouns. No info about the victim.

I wondered aloud whether this person was likely to have been a natal woman, given the nature of the offence. DH suggested I was being prejudiced; I was leaping to conclusions; I didn’t have all the facts, etc, etc. (Despite the report indicating this person’s middle name is ‘Peter’, along with ‘Diva’.)

This person’s Twitter account appears to confirm this person is trans.

Will this (sexual) offence have been recorded as committed by a woman? I am assuming yes, though perhaps I’m leaping to conclusions again.

I have unfortunately been flashed at several times. Each time a man. Each time it was terrifying and about centering that man and his wants and his power. If I read about a flashing incident it wouldn't occur to me that it would ever be a woman.

Agree with poster above that the penis needs to be referenced each time in reporting, as frankly, that penis is the whole fucking point.

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/humza-yousaf-criminal-suspects-able-self-identify-gender-78048

I've been in a festival situation as an adult, where a slightly drunk, laughing woman has flashed her breasts at a crowd.

I've been 12, and walking back from swimming along a public road and had a man walking towards me hiss to get my attention, and direct me to look down at his penis he was holding. I've been 17 and sitting on a bench in a park reading, when a dude sat down next to me with his penis out. And there's been more, just when out and about on normal days, minding my own business

So yes, I've been flashed by a woman, but in very, VERY different, and very much unthreatening circumstances compared to when men have decided to do it!

The thing is, even the phrase 'exposes herself' requires some degree of understanding to make senses of that phrase. Because on the face of it, 'woman exposes herself' could mean anything, couldn't it? But society knows what those words actually mean when said like that. Otherwise they would need to be more explicit in order for the readers to know what's going on. We know that the vast majority of the time it means a bloke showed his cock. But they don't want to put that in a headline.

@Mumteedum

Indecent exposure is a very different experience I would say if you are a woman confronted by a male with an erect penis v a man or a woman confronted by a woman exposing her breasts or vulva. There is little chance of a man feeling threatened by a woman doing that .... possible if the circumstances were such that she was older/ in a position of power, but surely more feeling awkward and embarrassed than in fear. A woman confronted by a man exposing himself is in fear of rape. I speak from experience.

This bullshit of we're all human and sex is now irrelevant.. well it's just bollocks...if you'll pardon my french.

Exactly. If I saw a woman exposing herself I'd think she was an exhibitionist or possibly ill. I wouldn't feel threatened.

@Whatsnewpussyhat

Funny isn't it, how on stories about or relating to trans women, they have their trans status front and centre.

Yet when a crime has been committed, especially sex related crimes, the headline always says 'woman'.......

What an odd coincidence.

Is it not the done thing to use trans woman in the press?

And female pronouns

If someone is going around exhibiting typical male violence then I definitely don’t want it recorded or understood as woman

There is overwhelming evidence in the criminal justice research about who commits what types of offences against whom You're not prejudiced OP. You're right.

@Kotatsu

I've been in a festival situation as an adult, where a slightly drunk, laughing woman has flashed her breasts at a crowd.

I've been 12, and walking back from swimming along a public road and had a man walking towards me hiss to get my attention, and direct me to look down at his penis he was holding. I've been 17 and sitting on a bench in a park reading, when a dude sat down next to me with his penis out. And there's been more, just when out and about on normal days, minding my own business

So yes, I've been flashed by a woman, but in very, VERY different, and very much unthreatening circumstances compared to when men have decided to do it!

Would you consider a man exposing his breasts flashing?

@Whatsnewpussyhat
I was thinking exactly the same! There is a double standard there that cannot be coincidence. It is probably some kind of agreement by the press?

Victim exploit trans status to support the narrative of oppression. Perpetrator use women to support the narrative that women also commit such crimes.

[quote Bobkitten]@lubaluca That’s exactly it, though - it’s left me feeling like I’m in the wrong to feel angry about this, because of course women do these things too (in smaller numbers though, right?). So was my immediate assumption born of prejudice? Even if it did turn out to be right?

The two people who have exposed themselves to me have been male. As have all those who have touched me up/pressed too close while on public transport, slapped my bum at parties, cat-called, followed me home, etc.[/quote]
Bloke here. I've been groped by women on two occasions. One was an impulsive grab of my crotch as I tried to squeeze past a woman to buy a pint. She was a bit pissed and didn't mean any harm. The other time was an older girl at school which was a bit creepy. But....having said that my first reaction to the headline was ' this has to be a man in reality'. There's a huge difference between a grope and indecent exposure. I'd say men are way more likely to flash than women. I mean it's way less likely for us to be raped in that state of vulnerability?

Victim exploit trans status to support the narrative of oppression. Perpetrator use women to support the narrative that women also commit such crimes

Exactly that. Controlling the narrative is vital to push the idea that this particular subset of adult males are all harmless and fragile.
So when a 'woman' is found with a hard drive full of child sexual abuse images or rape, the average person will only see the headline and assume it means a female.

One was an impulsive grab of my crotch as I tried to squeeze past a woman to buy a pint. She was a bit pissed and didn't mean any harm.

Well, that's the thing. Even if she meant any harm, she couldn't realistically cause any, could she?

This is not symmetrical.

Dear God, if flashing your Willy in a supermarket car park doesn’t mean you lose your right to be considered as a woman, then I really have lived too long!

@MarshaBradyo

Is it not the done thing to use trans woman in the press?

And female pronouns

I've linked to page 2 of this thread because it has extracts from a useful James Kirkup piece:

The issue of control of press reporting was raised in the following article by James Kirkup in The Spectator following the Home Affairs Committee Hate Crime enquiry in April of this year

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3289427-Four-women-viciously-attack-a-defenceless-man?pg=2

I'd say men are way more likely to flash than women. I mean it's way less likely for us to be raped in that state of vulnerability

Men are raped by other men but as the majority of males are heterosexual, most victims are female. Females are prey.

I've also never in my life seen a male rape victim have their entire life and wardrobe dissected to find any excuse to make it their fault.

98% of sexual offences are committed by penis owners, regardless of any identity.

@Temp023

Dear God, if flashing your Willy in a supermarket car park doesn’t mean you lose your right to be considered as a woman, then I really have lived too long!

Yeah, there must surely be some sort of delimiter to "living as a woman", right? No matter how nebulous the concept is, how does that not cross it?

@ElphabaTWitch

So a man exposed himself but because he can he said he was and or claimed to be a woman. So woman’s ‘supposed’ sex crime rates go up, ( let’s be honest men and women commit these crimes but most common culprit is male). So we can’t get protection from the FUCKING DIRTY STINKING VICIOUS MEN when we need it cos apparently half those men had boob jobs and a stage name. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I’m not conforming to this bollocks. I am a woman and I am more at risk of being sexually assaulted by a man (MAN - TESTOSTERONE TESTICLES AND PENIS) Than a fucking to woman (OESTROGEN BREASTS WOMB CERVIX PERIODS). Fuck right off with this shite. I am RAGING ANGRY 😡 AT THIS!!!!!

Nailed it. That's how I feel.

As soon as I saw the tread title I knew it would be a man.

@Temp023

Dear God, if flashing your Willy in a supermarket car park doesn’t mean you lose your right to be considered as a woman, then I really have lived too long!

Yes absolutely to this. If you go out of your WAY to let the public know that underneath the female attire there is actually a penis then surely you forfeit the right to identify as a woman.

The closest I've come to exposing myself in a supermarket car park is a ladder in my tights.

[quote blackwhiteandstripey]@NecessaryScene1
@Temp023

They have this all wrapped up now. The current party line is "women can have penises".

So, they see no problem with this. Just a deviant woman. NATWALT you know. [/quote]
But then of course we have the references to “vagina havers” etc that have been discussed here (before the threads got deleted ). It’s just the sheer cognitive dissonance around this that gets me.

Surely the inclusive () thing to do would be for news organisations to refer to a “penis haver” exposing themselves in a car park? I mean, not all women have penises, after all.

I would say it's generally men, I've had three men expose themselves to me all in isolated situations where I felt intimidated. I once had a woman expose themselves to me and half the street. She was smashed after a night out and was flashing traffic. It wasn't intimidating it was concerning tbh.

I'd read that article as man.