Woman exposes herself in car park ...

[Bobkitten]

www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/19264825.woman-exposed-glebe-house-car-park-haverfordwest/

The headline caught my eye; the article refers to this person as a woman and uses she/her pronouns. No info about the victim.

I wondered aloud whether this person was likely to have been a natal woman, given the nature of the offence. DH suggested I was being prejudiced; I was leaping to conclusions; I didn’t have all the facts, etc, etc. (Despite the report indicating this person’s middle name is ‘Peter’, along with ‘Diva’.)

This person’s Twitter account appears to confirm this person is trans.

Will this (sexual) offence have been recorded as committed by a woman? I am assuming yes, though perhaps I’m leaping to conclusions again.

I always believe it’s a man because it 99% of the time is. When it stops being men (people with penises) then I’ll stop making that assumption.

Yup.

I would have assumed a male bodied person too. Because female bodied people don't tend to flash, because our genitalia doesn't lend itself to flashing in the way that male genitalia does. There's a tiny chance it could be a female flashing breasts at people but, again, vanishingly unlikely. So the most likely scenario is a male bodied person, flashing their penis, while identifying as a woman.

Without reading the article, I'm going to take a punt and say this lady was flashing her penis?

You knows it.

@Mn753

This never happens /this happens so often there's no way of stopping it.

This person isn't genuine. Namalt. Etc.

...and anyway you're transphobic for bringing it up.

@Fromage

Are newspapers allowed to be more specific - can they say which body part the weirdo exposed?

Because then they could say it was a woman who committed the crime, but saying it was a penis that they exposed would tell the bigger story.

Well yes, this. What exactly was exposed? If it's her elbow it shouldn't cause much concern, if it's a penis we can read between the lines.

This is a man's crime and it makes me incensed that we're supposed to care more about his feelings than our safety and that of our daughters. Men do this, not women. I'm going to get banned for this but I've had enough. Men men men.

The press should report the truth.

@Soubriquet

Lovely

And of course it will be recorded as a woman’s crime

😢😡

And, the fact that these crimes are recorded as having been perpetrated by women will weaken the argument that women need safe female only spaces, as over time, the "statistics" will show that women as well as men are sexual predators.

I read an article in an irish paper about a brazilian "woman" and her crimes were horrendous. Children were the victims. The article really really jarred. But over time, the more articles we read like this, the less it will jar. The less people will get that women deserve safety from men.

[quote blackwhiteandstripey]@ArabellaScott

Really? Googling the accused's full name brought up his Twitter page as the third result. The first two were Facebook pages. The fifth result was the article posted by the OP. [/quote]
Fascinating how this varies. I used Google and the 3 part name (2 first names and a hyphenated family name) and the Twitter was the #1 result for me, followed by 2 FBs and the news reports plus a gallery of images.

Biological sex is such a huge component of risk factor that mixing up the figures for each sex will contribute to people being less able to analyse their own risk when in a potentially harmful situation.

People change their behaviour based on perceived risk- we don't need people messing with the data informing our choices.

So a man exposed himself but because he can he said he was and or claimed to be a woman. So woman’s ‘supposed’ sex crime rates go up, ( let’s be honest men and women commit these crimes but most common culprit is male). So we can’t get protection from the FUCKING DIRTY STINKING VICIOUS MEN when we need it cos apparently half those men had boob jobs and a stage name. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I’m not conforming to this bollocks. I am a woman and I am more at risk of being sexually assaulted by a man (MAN - TESTOSTERONE TESTICLES AND PENIS) Than a fucking to woman (OESTROGEN BREASTS WOMB CERVIX PERIODS). Fuck right off with this shite. I am RAGING ANGRY 😡 AT THIS!!!!!

I believe IPSO have been captured and the press are limited in how they can report such crimes, when a male person who identifies as a woman, commits them. It's no good just posting on here though-pls write to yr MP, write to the editor of the newspaper, write to anyone with any clout! These are not our crimes.

Honestly, I don’t know how those who are involved in this day-in, day-out (Maya, J K Rowling et al) cope with the crushing injustice of it all. It must have a huge impact on them mentally.

@JewelBee Absolutely, I’m awaiting the next BBC headline shouting that sexual offences perpetrated by women continue to rise.

@blackwhiteandstripey I got nothing in the way of an apology. However, he suggested I should contact my MP to raise my concerns - a sensible response, though I felt it was more a way of bringing the conversation safely to a close. He does recognise the issue (he totally gets it re: sport), but is bemused at the strength of my opinion and generally wants to avoid discussion (it’s almost like he takes it personally, like I am blaming all men).

If you go around exposing yourself in public then no matter how you wish to describe yourself, it should also state - in the headline - what you exposed.

E.g. woman flashes breasts in Supermarket

Or

Woman shows penis in supermarket.

Totally factual. People can then judge them on the part exposed.

Seems fair enough to me.

I would hazard a guess that there will not be many reports of man flashes vulva in supermarket.

Its worth writing to the editor of Western Telegraph to register a complaint.

The problem here is really multifaceted.

First, people who know the press reporting around using man/ woman, and who know that almost always it's men who commit certain types of crime. Will not trust reporting. And just generally think if it says woman and X crime, it was a male. That's bad because we should trust the press and it almost pushes a subconscious idea that it's never a female which obviously is not true. But if you can't trust what you're reading then you're going to make assumptions.

Those who glance will assume it was a female. Their idea of the prevalence and type of sex offences committed by females will become skewed. Those who always shout 'women do it to' will be able to capitalise on this. Undermine the fact that sex offences and violent offences are massively likely to be male. This could well impact on a lot of things eg provision of services.

If there is a genuine increase in women committing certain types of crime, it will be hidden. Meaning it can't be studied, and steps taken to reduce/ turn back the change.

It's a mess, in short.

I’m trying to get this clear in my head - especially in light of the declaration recently that legally sex is biological and binary, and gender is social.....

Unless the male-born person who commits such a crime has a GRC, isn’t it a legal necessity to record the offender as male (as they are legally/formally of the male sex)?

Isn’t recording this as a female crime allowing the perpetrator to self-id as the opposite sex? Which legally is impossible (although it would be legal to self-id as male presenting with a feminine gender)?

@BadGherkin

I’m trying to get this clear in my head - especially in light of the declaration recently that legally sex is biological and binary, and gender is social.....

Unless the male-born person who commits such a crime has a GRC, isn’t it a legal necessity to record the offender as male (as they are legally/formally of the male sex)?

Isn’t recording this as a female crime allowing the perpetrator to self-id as the opposite sex? Which legally is impossible (although it would be legal to self-id as male presenting with a feminine gender)?

It's a mind fuck, isn't it?

@GreyhoundG1rl
Absolutely!

Surely if the actual law was followed, none of these issues would present? 🤯

The media guidelines are to report based on identity.
The info coming from the police- in England a FOI request to all forces on this. A couple years back maybe. The forces that replied (quite a few) confirmed that they recorded victim and suspect etc by self ID. they all said this had been the case for some time. None had any info or records about when this started or why it was done.

Very odd.

It's been going on for ages.

Is this the first you've heard of it greyhound?

No, I was referring to this:
they all said this had been the case for some time. None had any info or records about when this started or why it was done.

Well that's what they said.

Yes it is very odd.

Crime stats are a pretty important thing so to change a metric and not know how why when, or make it public. Is more than odd.