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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

University staff given list of banned 'microinsults' they cannot say to trans people

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ChristinaXYZ · 01/05/2021 12:34

From the Telegraph. the last para make you want to weep -

A Newcastle University spokesman said: "We want our campus to be a welcoming and safe place for everyone who studies, works or visits here, regardless of gender, race, class, age or disability."

But it would seem they are not bothered about making people feel welcome regardless of sex, as they don't even mention it.

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blackwhiteandstripey · 01/05/2021 14:04

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Angelil · 01/05/2021 14:05

This conflation between sex and gender is a serious problem. Cut any human cell down the middle and it will have evidence either XX or XY chromosomes; there is no in between.

howard97A · 01/05/2021 14:06

Hazel444 Why this incessant need for victimhood? And not just any victimhood, but the most victimy victimhood that there ever was..

Because victimhood confers moral superiority

poppycat10 · 01/05/2021 14:06

I wish universities would do something about discrimination against people with disabilities. I think it would have a huge impact on access to higher education

Yes there are a lot more disabled people in the UK than there are trans-people, or gender-confused people. Far too much concentrating on the wrong priorities, in my view.

SmokedDuck · 01/05/2021 14:07

@Jaxhog

What 'micro aggressions' are on the list regarding women?
They shouldn't have a list of microagressions at all. There is no way to manage them because the whole point is that they are things that seem like they cold be ok to say or legitimate, or without a subtext, but are perceived by someone as having a subtext.

And they might be right in a particular instance but the effect of removing all chance of subtext is impossible and assuming every statement should be interpreted that way leads to a place of craziness.

Amrapaali · 01/05/2021 14:08

it comes as several Russell Group universities are training scholars on "cisgender privilege",

Who is doing the training? It all sounds incredibly dodgy.

But the Free Speech law sounds interesting. I am hopeful the tide will turn

Congressdingo · 01/05/2021 14:10

Another is engaging in "avoidant behaviour" around trans people

Christ alive this is Orwellian. So I go to the loo, get a call or text as I open the door and decide to take my call elsewhere and I'm avoiding?
I say nothing in a group conversation cos I'm shy, but no I'm avoiding.
I stay away from people I don't like because I dont like them, ah no. See I'm avoiding but not because I don't like em.

Virtually everything you could do could well be called avoiding.

Forced friendship is that even legal?

Xenia · 01/05/2021 14:11

The universities have often been hotbeds of weirdness so not much change there. Luckily our children come out of left wing school and extreme university lecturer indoctrination into a real world where gradually the cult like programming can be undone from them.

GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 14:12

@Xenia

The universities have often been hotbeds of weirdness so not much change there. Luckily our children come out of left wing school and extreme university lecturer indoctrination into a real world where gradually the cult like programming can be undone from them.
Let's just hope they all do.
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YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/05/2021 14:17

My parents said that about my university education - actually, it undid the sex/gender programming they had installed in me and taught me about second-wave feminism.

Abhannmor · 01/05/2021 14:17

@ChristinaXYZ

From the Telegraph. the last para make you want to weep -

A Newcastle University spokesman said: "We want our campus to be a welcoming and safe place for everyone who studies, works or visits here, regardless of gender, race, class, age or disability."

But it would seem they are not bothered about making people feel welcome regardless of sex, as they don't even mention it.

Edinburgh will be a veritable hotbed of spontaneous humour now...Confused
GreyhoundG1rl · 01/05/2021 14:17

Another is engaging in "avoidant behaviour" around trans people
This is mind blowing. People avoid other people all the bloody time.

Boring people, smelly people, people they've previously argued with, people they've nothing in common with and don't find any particular reason to spend any time with.
THIS IS ALLOWED. 🤯🤯🤯

nauticant · 01/05/2021 14:19

I've just realised another "avoidant behaviour" would be. A woman walks into the Ladies, clocks a transwoman there, and turns on her heel and leaves.

Time for the bad woman to get a warning. Next time she must grit her teeth and go into the occupied space.

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BetterKateThanNever · 01/05/2021 14:19

This is rididulous and demonises discussing opinions and feelings regarding human differences. Yes, please do put in place a system of repercussions for those who are genuinely transphobic, racist, homophobic, etc but don't criminalise words!

How counterproductive to society's moves to make transgender people more comfortable and accepted.

Criminalising saying anything to trans people is exactly what they don't want- trans people are just normal people, treating them differently isn't equality! This isn't even snowflake behaviour, this is Newcastle Uni getting the wrong end of the stick and going to extreme lengths to make themselves look supportive and instead making them look like transphobes! Ridiculous.

ListeningQuietly · 01/05/2021 14:21

How do they square that with the ongoing campaigns to encourage more girls to study physics and engineering?

www.iop.org/what-were-doing-address-gender-imbalance-physics

IrmaFayLear · 01/05/2021 14:21

The rot has set in at big firms, and definitely public sector organisations.

A friend yesterday had compulsory “menopause recognition training”. He said he was thinking, “I bet I know what Irma would think of this” as he was trained to spot perimenopausal women....

Yeah, what I think is it’s crap. If I’m displeased with someone or unhappy with their work, it’s precisely that, not because I’m experiencing a hot flush, bless the old dear...

osbertthesyrianhamster · 01/05/2021 14:23

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

And while this important work of policing the language of academia goes on female students are being raped on campus. Disabled students have huge issues navigating Edinburgh university's old buildings. Poor students have massive barriers to learning. Foreign students are freezing their tits off because Edinburgh is Baltic.

Where's the lanyard for them?

BRAVO!
SmokedDuck · 01/05/2021 14:25

@Tanith

“ R0wantrees Sheffield apparently has blackballed Isaac Newton.

What crimes has Newton been accused of?”

Racism. He’s supposed to have benefitted from the Slave Trade 🙄

Wish I’d heard the reaction when the Physics department was told! Grin

This stuff drives me crazy.

My university did a big project looking into connections to the slave trade.

They found among IIRC two or three things of note. One of the early governors, when he had lived in the US, seemed to have had a slave who did some sort of household work.

One of the early governors was also a part owner of a company that had dealings with companies that had something to do with sugar plantations and such.

And the university had money given to it early in its history that came from some investments that had links to the same kinds of industries.

Well, ok, that's kind of interesting in terms of looking at the way the economy worked at that time, but what it seems to show is that the university existed within a larger economy of the 18th century, and what I wonder is, how could it not have been, and what is it we are supposed to conclude here?

I find myself wondering, if we looked today at all the investments of the university, and all the investments and business connections of the governors and donors, and all the pension plans of the staff, how much dirty money might we find today? And to what extent could we avoid that kind of connection without completely cutting ourselves off from the worldwide economy? And to what extent do we think the university is morally culpable for that, or people in the university?

It's interesting to me that in this specific instance, and I think in many others where similar projects are going on, there is a lot less sense that we need to take responsibility and be culpable for the current stuff than the things that happened safely in the past.

SmokedDuck · 01/05/2021 14:30

@IrmaFayLear

The rot has set in at big firms, and definitely public sector organisations.

A friend yesterday had compulsory “menopause recognition training”. He said he was thinking, “I bet I know what Irma would think of this” as he was trained to spot perimenopausal women....

Yeah, what I think is it’s crap. If I’m displeased with someone or unhappy with their work, it’s precisely that, not because I’m experiencing a hot flush, bless the old dear...

Shock

Wow, I'm with Irma.

pommedeterre · 01/05/2021 14:31

@Jaxhog

What 'micro aggressions' are on the list regarding women?
THIS. This is the point isn't it. As a woman it is hard not to feel like the statistically proven bias against us never ever makes the list like the one in the article and that transphobia/discussions have overridden discussions about women, pay balance, maternity rights, the right to walk home at night (maybe even in a fucking skirt, shock horror).
Iamanaubergine · 01/05/2021 14:31

How did we end up with this nonsense so quickly? How has gender identity tosh overtaken every other minority group to become the most disadvantaged group ever? Is there any pushback in universities anywhere?

ScotlandUnited · 01/05/2021 14:35

Glasgow uni are also working on microaggression guidance.