Man kills woman...Women told to "stay away"

[Heidi1982]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/warning-for-vigilance-after-killing-of-pcso-julia-james-93r7l5ftz

The first line in this article about the murder of a woman by a man is telling women to restrict their movements. I'm fed up of women having to take responsibility for male violence.

RIP Julia James.

It never stops does it. Our world needs to be made smaller because of men. Put the men on a damn curfew.

Maybe we should go back to just staying indoors out of sight unless accompanied by a man

How are people meant to get home from work or walk there dogs etc then.

Sometimes I go down dark allies but that's usually to avoid walking past groups of people in the dark whilst alone.

No one should have to restrict theor actions ffs

Rip Julia

I think it's a good idea at the moment until they catch the predator. The predator isn't likely to obey a curfew.

But it never stops does. More male violence. Women should be able to walk safely.

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

I think it's a good idea at the moment until they catch the predator. The predator isn't likely to obey a curfew.

But it never stops does. More male violence. Women should be able to walk safely.

I get that, and if I lived in the area I would probably be very cautious about where I went alone. But how refreshing it would have been if the first sentence in the Times article had been "men are asked to avoid wooded areas to ensure the safety of women".

I think.it also lands women who live at home with their abusers at greater risk too. Like lock down did.

Either they will seek out male friends ir family or colleguaes to accompany them leading. Or their abuser at home will accompany them everywhere ir exert eveb tighter control over their movements citing "safety reasons"

Statistically they are really safer walking alone through through words at night than they are around their male friends family and collegues.

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

I think it's a good idea at the moment until they catch the predator. The predator isn't likely to obey a curfew.

But it never stops does. More male violence. Women should be able to walk safely.

If all the non-predator men just stayed indoors and left the women to it, then the predator would stand out and be easier to catch. Win win right?

Yeah I know, it won't work, because men's freedom is deemed more important than women's safety.

This murder is shocking. Where are the vigils and protests?

Sarah Everard killed by a policeman and It's headlines for days. Julia James, a pcso, is murdered and there just doesn't seem anywhere near the same level of outrage and msm interest. Why??

@JaniieJones

This murder is shocking. Where are the vigils and protests?

Sarah Everard killed by a policeman and It's headlines for days. Julia James, a pcso, is murdered and there just doesn't seem anywhere near the same level of outrage and msm interest. Why??

Because middle aged women are worthless in today's society

Rip Julia, you matter to me.

But how refreshing it would have been if the first sentence in the Times article had been "men are asked to avoid wooded areas to ensure the safety of women".

I absolutely get what you're saying, but surely that would effectively mean "Good, decent men who care about women's safety, please stay away from isolated or wooded areas, thereby leaving the field free for dodgy men to stalk or assault lone women without the risk of being put off or challenged by you."

@JaniieJones

This murder is shocking. Where are the vigils and protests?

Sarah Everard killed by a policeman and It's headlines for days. Julia James, a pcso, is murdered and there just doesn't seem anywhere near the same level of outrage and msm interest. Why??

The vigil for Sarah Everard was highly unusual and a rare occurrence. Every murder is tragic, most don't trigger a vigil.

'Because middle aged women are worthless in today's society'

It seems so. Walking a dog and brutally murdered! it is just beyond comprehension that this isn't high profile in the news. It gets a brief mention but way after other far less shocking events.

Where are the activists, are they just busy shopping and socialising now lockdown is practically over?

I hadn’t seen anything about this tragedy until this thread.
I live rurally and I have a friend who walks through countryside alone with her dog, yet I feel too scared to. The murder of Lin Russel and her daughter, with her other daughter almost killed too, only two miles from this , stayed in my head and made me frightened to walk with my daughters. Even when I walk with my friend I feel scared.
Women live with what is essentially terrorism all their lives, and it makes our lives smaller.
Julia James sounds a wonderful woman. 😢😢😢

@lazylinguist

But how refreshing it would have been if the first sentence in the Times article had been "men are asked to avoid wooded areas to ensure the safety of women".

I absolutely get what you're saying, but surely that would effectively mean "Good, decent men who care about women's safety, please stay away from isolated or wooded areas, thereby leaving the field free for dodgy men to stalk or assault lone women without the risk of being put off or challenged by you."

I absolutely get what you are saying too. Although to be frank men don't seem to be doing a great job of "protecting" women. Encouraging women to get out in the countryside would make us all safer, there would be safety in numbers. Maybe a curfew on men would do that?

Obviously this is totally hypothetical.

'The vigil for Sarah Everard was highly unusual and a rare occurrence. Every murder is tragic, most don't trigger a vigil.'

Yes and the 'acab' activists made it their event didn't they.

Who knew it was only shocking and worthy of protests if women were murdered by police officers.

To people saying is isn't in the news, Julia James murder is in the news. It was on BBC, ITV and channel 4 news last night. Long pieces too, not just a mention.

I agree it's awful that women are told to stay home, when it's men who are the risk.

I’m finding it disrespectful for the article to refer to Julia James throughout by her surname, as though she was a criminal. Is that a done thing these days?

Looks like they’ve changed the article to place the family’s response first, which I think is thoughtful of them.

'To people saying is isn't in the news, Julia James murder is in the news. It was on BBC, ITV and channel 4 news last night'

It hasn't generated anywhere near the shock and outrage of Sarah Everard though. Is it because Julia was older, she was a pcso or because activists have moved on and are now busy out of lockdown?

Men love the idea of curtailing women's behaviour through violence but the terrible thing is it's effective. Predators and opportunists target vulnerability and so women always have to be, at some level, attuned to their own vulnerability. I resent that I even have to give mindspace to this stuff. I also resent when women are told to feel stronger or to be more confident or that it's silly to fear these 'rare' events. Female attitude adjustment is not what's required here, it's male behavioural change. A man isn't going to attack a woman who feels nervous over a woman who feels feisty. He's going to attack the woman who is easiest to pick off. I love taking my dog for walks in the countryside but I'd love it more if I never had to think about these things again. Never mind women needing their own toilets and locker rooms, we really need our own bloody island.

@JaniieJones

'To people saying is isn't in the news, Julia James murder is in the news. It was on BBC, ITV and channel 4 news last night'

It hasn't generated anywhere near the shock and outrage of Sarah Everard though. Is it because Julia was older, she was a pcso or because activists have moved on and are now busy out of lockdown?

If every murder committed by a man against a woman in the UK caused public outrage, we would be on vigils and marches every three days. Maybe we should be? But there are other ways to show our outrage.

Sarah Everard's murder was the catalyst for a Twitter campaign about not feeling safe to walk the streets, and it gained momentum from there, ending in the vigil. Sadly the vigil was hijacked by other groups.
It also would have been sensitive to have made it a vigil for all women murdered by men, to minimise some of the feelings that were triggered by the thought that one tragic murder victim was singled out above others. Of course, the loved ones of all these women would just prefer to them not to have been murdered at all.

RIP all women murdered at the hands of men, known to them or strangers.

@JaniieJones

'To people saying is isn't in the news, Julia James murder is in the news. It was on BBC, ITV and channel 4 news last night'

It hasn't generated anywhere near the shock and outrage of Sarah Everard though. Is it because Julia was older, she was a pcso or because activists have moved on and are now busy out of lockdown?

I wondered the same. I think it's all three.

I'm actually quite concerned (and scared) by the apparent agenda from some groups against the police (the ACAB shit).

Of course in the end - if these people get their way - it will be the most vulnerable including female victims of violence, who lose out. Those wealthy enough will hide behind private gated security (including those at the top who are instigating the ACAB stuff).

Yes unfortunately society generally sees middle aged women (and older) as pretty worthless. I wish that wasn't the case.

Rip Julia

I think the thing that men (and some women) don't take into account is the augmenting effect that general sexist behaviour and comments and the sheer ubiquitousness of 'minor', non-violent harassment have on women's wariness and fear of potential attack.

It's all too easy to look at the actually pretty tiny likelihood of any individual woman being attacked by a strange man in the woods and dismiss women's fears and reluctance to walk alone as therefore totally irrational. But men show us day-in-day-out in their interactions, unwanted comments and online behaviour what they really think of women and what they'd like to do to us. Is it any wonder that our risk analysis is skewed by that knowledge?

RIP Julia.

I sometimes just despair that the response to male violence is to ask women to change. I get that it’s well meant. But it solves nothing, and nothing changes.

It happened a few miles from me, and the police have drawn comparisons with the murders of Lin and Megan Russell 25 years ago, again just a few miles from me.

I think realistically, the police know that violent men are not suddenly gonna stay home because the police told them too. Good chance that 'decent' men wont stay home either and would be offended at the insinuation that .all men are like that'. Its easier, rightly or wrongly to get the potential victims to avoid doing things to protect themselves, a little like if there are a spate of burglaries its suggested to keep doors and windows locked and valuables/car keys etc out of sight.

I'm in a more urban area but I would think twice about walking alone rurally around here atm.