How many pregnant “people” are we talking about?

[2021ismyyear]

I’ve seen lots of things on Twitter, about the wording: “pregnant people can now have a birth partner” or “pregnant people can get the Covid vaccine”. The word woman will be eradicated soon and I’m fuming.

My question is.... how many people are we talking about here? Per year, how many people in the uk that are/were women now identify as men and also get pregnant? Is it a handful or are we talking thousands here?

riggs

Im sorry to hear about your family member and what he’s gone through 💐

Riggs thanks for your post.

Congrats to both of you!

One to one I don't think anyone would argue with that. Although as soon as I got pregnant more or less I was referred to as 'mum' - lost my name.

I really don't think transmen are the ones driving this. At all. They're being used as an excuse.

Have any of the woke orgs actually asked trans women if they want all these language changes. The answer I'm sure is no. Maybe on online survey where anyone can answer..

And What nice just said

Imo anyone who has a GRC and then chooses to get pregnant should have the GRC rescinded.

Derailing slightly from the main theme of the thread, but to PiglingBlandIIIs point - I fear the chief executive of Macmillan has just veered into transphobia by retweeting about #malecancerawarenessweek.

Surely she knows that some women have testicles?
twitter.com/macmillancancer/status/1385144225239552001

Riggsisadino sorry to cross-post with your example of a very difficult situation.

twitter.com/lynda_thomas?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Funnily enough, no castigating comments in her replies as of yet, pointing out the misdemeanor!

I've got no issues with female people getting pregnant.

Being trans also doesn't protect you from assault etc if you're female.

I do have a problem with the destruction of language etc. I would want any pregnant trans man to be cared for with respect etc.

The nope is when pregnant people etc happens.

@NiceGerbil I read your reply as friendly. My reply is too.

I’m trying to read up on these issues to actually find my exact thoughts and where I stand. I definitely don’t know enough yet, and my current thoughts aren’t final. I may say something contradictory, because I haven’t managed to confirm exactly what I think, due to lack of knowledge.

I have spent the last hour trying to answer your questions. I can’t even make sense of my own opinions, they sometimes contradict each other. Which is why I’m spending time researching.

These are my thoughts now. I welcome friendly criticism, reasons why I may be wrong. It is important to me that I understand these issues.

I see 2 sexes - male and female. This is determined at birth and most people fall into one. Sex can’t be changed. I do see man/woman/girl/boy as identities. I probably used to see them in the same way as sex - boys and men are male and girls and women are female. But not now. Now I do see them as something that can be changed. A trans woman was a man, and is now a woman. A trans woman is male. I’m not making fun when I say I do not know at what point they are a woman. When they say so? When can they use a female changing room? I do not think a trans woman should be able to participate in female sport. But I do empathise that if they think of themselves as female, they won’t feel part of male sport either. I don’t have a solution.

I think we do need to be inclusive of everyone. Pregnant women aren’t the only ones who could be pregnant. A trans man is a man, who could be pregnant, but they are female. Anyone pregnant
is female.

Contrary to my muddled post, I am a fairly intelligent person. But I can’t seem to organise my own thoughts to come to a clear statement.

I agree with what you have said in your subsequent posts.

I don’t understand the last paragraph on your post that was directed to me.

Only females/woman can get pregnant.
No one else - like other mammals 🤷🏼‍♀️

And I can see that I say we need to be inclusive (I meant terminology), and then also say, I don’t think trans women should be able to participate in female sport. Straight away excluding them. I don’t know the answer.

It's tricky to unravel, probably.

Appreciate your answer.

I won't go on at you. Keep reading and thinking.

Although- are you aware that male and female are under efforts to change meaning as well?

@ProbablyGryffindor

And I can see that I say we need to be inclusive (I meant terminology), and then also say, I don’t think trans women should be able to participate in female sport. Straight away excluding them. I don’t know the answer.

Third spaces and third (and fourth) sex categories for sports (TW and TM).

This has been suggested for a long time but it is never accepted because it doesn't give a lot of trans people what they need the most. Other people to validate their belief.

@ThinkWittyThoughts

Idle thought.

Women = menstruators
Men = ejaculators
People = urinators?

After all, this whole thing is seriously pissing me off...

Cbildren=snot monsters

Info today out about the covid vaccines and how 'it does not affect people who menstruate'

@GNCQ

Disappointed but not surprised that the NHS pages about women's health conditions by and large don't mention the word women whereas men's conditions mention men. Ditto Macmillan. Funny how even across the same organisations and sites women are erased and men are just peachy. Seriously, resident TRAs and Twitter screenshot hunters, I want an answer. Why women but rarely men?

Disgusted and momentarily shocked and then not surprised that vaginismus is a porn theme. Excruciating pain from attempted penetration? Of course that's in porn. I am not seeking out evidence but I hope to god they're acting and not putting a poor real woman with vaginismus through that torture.

@NiceGerbil What do you mean? - “ Although- are you aware that male and female are under efforts to change meaning as well?”.

What would your solution be regarding the terminology used from pregnant women to pregnant people?

@Riggsisadino

Poor guy. What a horrible story all around. I hope the pregnancy and labour go smoothly.

Children=snot monsters

Fact

Man and woman are simply the words to denote male and female adult humans just like buck and doe or cock and hen etc etc.
Not identities to be picked.

I didn't choose to be a woman, my biology dictates it. I, like all females, can't opt out of the shit I've had to deal over the course of my life with due to that biology by identifying as something else and males cannot opt into, or appropriate female oppression.

I’d hate for a pregnant trans man to not feel included

So we should all be forced to not speak our words or use sex based language just on the off chance that once in a blue moon someone, somewhere might possibly get upset?

A pregnant trans man is naturally included due to their biology and they can simply ask their medical team to refer to them according to their identity.

The words woman/women should never be excluded. They are how almost all of the billions of females on this planet refer to themselves.

I've recently been in an NCT class entirely made up of heterosexual couples where the leader has consistently referred to "pregnant people" but still talked about Dads and very occasionally birth partners.

It pissed me off, not least because you could see her consciously making the effort to pre-correct what she was going to say instead of woman or mother, but apparently engaging with the Dads was more important. If we'd had a pregnant transman in the group I could maybe understand it but no, just bog standard women getting pregnant.

'Disgusted and momentarily shocked and then not surprised that vaginismus is a porn theme.'

OMG seriously?

I shouldn't be surprised but I am. I have had this when I was young and it's so so painful. It's a psychological response to trauma etc. Vagina says no.

Is this how the ban on the major sites around rape is being got around?

That's an actual fucking disgrace. A category around a condition that means excruciating pain on anything going up there.

I have to NAMALT but what the fuck is wrong with men?

Disgusted and momentarily shocked and then not surprised that vaginismus is a porn theme. Excruciating pain from attempted penetration? Of course that's in porn.

Sickening. I wrote a post along the lines of 'what the actual fuck?!' but deleted it because, as you said, of course something that causes women severe pain and distress (often the result of being sexually abused or raped) is a porn theme. Of course it fucking is.

Don't even know why I was shocked to learn that, tbh 😔

Probably it was in response to this

'I see 2 sexes - male and female. This is determined at birth and most people fall into one. Sex can’t be changed. I do see man/woman/girl/boy as identities. I probably used to see them in the same way as sex - boys and men are male and girls and women are female. But not now. Now I do see them as something that can be changed'

The words female and male are being increasingly used to refer to gender rather than sex.

That's just fucking grim.

I mean incest, barely legal, rape etc. Fucking awful but not surprised.

How many men even know that term and what it means? Plenty now seems like. I'd put money on it being code for rape.