How many pregnant “people” are we talking about?

[2021ismyyear]

I’ve seen lots of things on Twitter, about the wording: “pregnant people can now have a birth partner” or “pregnant people can get the Covid vaccine”. The word woman will be eradicated soon and I’m fuming.

My question is.... how many people are we talking about here? Per year, how many people in the uk that are/were women now identify as men and also get pregnant? Is it a handful or are we talking thousands here?

Pregnant woman is better and factually accurate.

I was looking at vasectomies for my husband. All men, male etc. Not a person or an ejaculator in sight. Funny that.

NHS even says you can request to see a male GP. How terribly transphobic of them.

@2021ismyyear

Naughty nhs using the word “men”! What if you were a man but now identify as female but still have testicles.

I propose we use “ball havers” from now on.

I quite like testicle toters

@GappyValley

I still cannot get a straight answer to the obvious question to me, which is if someone has such clear gender dysphoria as to not consider themselves a woman any more, why are they then going through probably the most womanly thing imaginable?

And how are they not triggering themselves hourly with growing boobs and a bump and swollen genitalia, when they are on such a hair trigger that the word ‘woman’ causes them a mental health crisis?

You don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans now apparently 🤨

Yes if it's not an attempt to erase women and 'it's all fine' (???) then presumably you can reassure us that language relating to conditions affecting men has been similarly butchered?

So we say "pregnant people" instead of "pregnant women" to be accommodating of people who don't want to be called "pregnant women". Even though it's more awkward.

But we can't say "pregnant women, trans men and non binary...” to accommodate people who don't want to be called "pregnant people" because it's too awkward.

One set of people here seems to be valued less than the others.

Do you mean the testicle-toters? I think you're right.

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983

But women are people, surely! When I was pregnant, I was a pregnant woman and a pregnant person. I liked being called a pregnant person. Pregnant women have been marginalised (even animalised) throughout modern history in the UK at least and the label “pregnant woman” carries that history whether we like it or not. I’m happy to be labelled “person” as well, as a reminder that we don’t fall out of the human race when we get pregnant. I definitely felt, when I was pregnant, that lots of people and services needed that reminder. Our argument isn’t with the people who advocate for the term, “person” it’s for the patriarchal medical system that still sees women as second class citizens.

@Ethelfromnumber73 the abstract makes very little sense. (I did skim it mainly)

Talks about people as identifying as being pregnant. Switches between using the word women and persons. And the also uses the term non pregnant women.

So we don't use the word "woman" because theremightbe a transman in the group?

How is that not erasing the word woman?

Yeah. Shouldn't we be inclusive and use "pregnant women, trans men and non binary people" in case there is a woman in the group who prefers the first term?

Pretty confused by this exclusionary language.

@GappyValley

I still cannot get a straight answer to the obvious question to me, which is if someone has such clear gender dysphoria as to not consider themselves a woman any more, why are they then going through probably the most womanly thing imaginable?

And how are they not triggering themselves hourly with growing boobs and a bump and swollen genitalia, when they are on such a hair trigger that the word ‘woman’ causes them a mental health crisis?

That is a really good question. I don't know if you'll get an answer though.

I liked being called a pregnant person

I liked being called a pregnant woman. And it's more accurate.

[quote quiteathome]@Ethelfromnumber73 the abstract makes very little sense. (I did skim it mainly)

Talks about people as identifying as being pregnant. Switches between using the word women and persons. And the also uses the term non pregnant women.[/quote]
I know- I've had to analyse the data. The linguistic gymnastics made it very difficult, and the whole thing made me extremely angry because misinterpretation of this has detrimental effects on women

ONLY Women get pregnant

ONLY women go through childbirth

ONLY women have fistulas

ONLY women have miscarriages

Biology is real
Gender is feel

Echoing other posters that I wouldn't mine so much but it is NEARLY ALWAYS just 'men' when it's 'people with a cervix', 'menstruators', 'bleeders', 'vagina owners', 'pregnant people'. I would really like someone on the other side to justify and explain that.

Mind.

I think there have been two trans identified people who got pregnant.

One was Freddie McConnell who was upset after he was refused the right to be listed as "father" on the birth certificate that belonged to the infant. That court finding gifted us "mother" as a gender inclusive term, which the House of Lords used in the MOMA bill where "mother" was used in the maternity bill as it applied to everyone who could have a baby.

I don't know who the other person is or whether they are a transman or a NB female.

@BarryFromEastenders

But women are people, surely! When I was pregnant, I was a pregnant woman and a pregnant person. I liked being called a pregnant person. Pregnant women have been marginalised (even animalised) throughout modern history in the UK at least and the label “pregnant woman” carries that history whether we like it or not. I’m happy to be labelled “person” as well, as a reminder that we don’t fall out of the human race when we get pregnant. I definitely felt, when I was pregnant, that lots of people and services needed that reminder. Our argument isn’t with the people who advocate for the term, “person” it’s for the patriarchal medical system that still sees women as second class citizens.

So to take that to its logical conclusion, why use the words ‘men’ and ‘women’ at all ever?

Men’s Health magazine should be ‘persons health’
‘Women’s hour’ is now ‘persons hour’

And ‘womens refuges’ are now obviously people’s refuges also

@scaredsadandstuck

They can, but "pregnant people" is quicker.

As is pregnant women, and biologically accurate to boost.

I had this very argument yesterday in work and said it was inaccurate. I was told it was accurate it just wasn't 'specific'

*GappyValley
I still cannot get a straight answer to the obvious question to me, which is if someone has such clear gender dysphoria as to not consider themselves a woman any more, why are they then going through probably the most womanly thing imaginable?

And how are they not triggering themselves hourly with growing boobs and a bump and swollen genitalia, when they are on such a hair trigger that the word ‘woman’ causes them a mental health crisis?*

Or, what the legal status is of a person who has solemnly sworn that they want to live as a man in order to get a GIC, and then they nip to the IVF clinic to get pregnant. That's an unusual understanding of what a man is, really.

What a load of bloody bollocks.
Only women get pregnant.
Ask any small child and even they know the truth
This has become absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Men can't get pregnant.

The minuscule number of females who do not want to call themselves women that then use their female reproductive organs to get pregnant, give birth and breast feed should not get to dictate the language used by the other 99.99999999% of women who want their sex based language left alone.

They can simply have a note added to their records so their midwife knows their preferred pronouns.

But then we know it's not about trans men.
It's about male TRA's telling us we're not allowed to use the words woman or women for any solely female biological function because it 'excludes' them.
Of course it bloody does. That's the fucking point.

No one is trying to eradicate the word "woman" That's not true.

it is used in pregnancy services across the country thousands of times a day - it's all fine. There is not one thing about it that is "fine".

No man in the history of this world has ever been pregnant. Every person in the world today was gestated and birthed by a woman. Nonbinary is a ridiculous affectation that means nothing.

Women get pregnant and as such the word to describe a pregnant person is that - woman.

@Nonmaquillee

What a load of bloody bollocks. Only women get pregnant. Ask any small child and even they know the truth This has become absolutely fucking ridiculous. Men can't get pregnant.

But male rapists are demanding to be in female prisons (the world over)

and schools have fallen for lobbying
that makes girls transpobes for asking to change tampons in privacy

which is NOT the law