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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Chwarae Teg demonstrates why inclusivity is dangerous and unfair to women

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Shedbuilder · 21/04/2021 18:10

Chwaroae Teg (Fair Play for Women) is a publicly-funded women's organisation that was captured some time ago and has already been picked up here several times for its reading of equal rights law. I used to live and work in Wales and several of my friends there keep me in touch with events.

This evening CT hosted a Zoom discussion on Gender Equality with representatives of all the main parties. I'll pass swiftly by on the subject of the youth and middle classness of the candidates, and on the constant refrain that we all just need to be kinder and more accepting and everything will be fine.

A couple of women used the Chat facility to ask polite, factual questions about sex, the Equality Act and so on. The Plaid representative, whose party and leader are totally TWAW, gave an impassioned little speech about the awfulness of sexual stereotyping and in response a couple of women in the Chat section asked questions about sexual stereotyping and transgender ideology and concerns about girls who defy sexual stereotypes being told they might be trans. One woman, a youth worker, expressed her concern. Someone else agreed.

Helen from Chwarae Teg intervened to tell them that divisiveness was not allowed. CT, she said, is an INCLUSIVE organisation and hate and. divisiveness are not tolerated. One of the women asked, in the Chat section, if this meant that they were not permitted to express concern about women and girls. She was ejected from the event. No idea what happened to the others involved but they probably got the boot too.

It's a useful example of how inclusivity works against women's interests. Inclusivity was used as a reason to shut down women' valid concerns.

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ErrolTheDragon · 21/04/2021 18:24

So 'inclusivity' means exclusion? Well there's a surprise.

Shedbuilder · 21/04/2021 18:56

I thought it might be a useful, clear, example. When I was trying to find one for one of the earlier submissions to the WESC I couldn't think of one!

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SirVixofVixHall · 21/04/2021 18:58

So depressing.

DdraigGoch · 21/04/2021 19:26

Plaid are TWAW too? The decision on who to vote for next month is getting even easier.

Erkrie · 21/04/2021 19:27

That's pretty shameful. Are the foundations of their beliefs so unstable that they can't withstand even the smallest of nudges, in case it all come tumbling down around them 🤔

DicklessWonder · 21/04/2021 19:28

@DdraigGoch

Plaid are TWAW too? The decision on who to vote for next month is getting even easier.
Except when the leader wants a surrogate to carry a baby. ;)
DicklessWonder · 21/04/2021 19:29

Chwaroae Teg (Fair Play for Women)

Chwarae Teg just means Fair Play. FPFW is a different organisation.

SapphosRock · 21/04/2021 19:33

This sounds familiar. I don't think the people trying to force inclusivity by silencing women are thinking this through. Women are organising and talking. And angry.

DicklessWonder · 21/04/2021 19:35

The CEO describes herself as Feminist on her Twitter bio. Could be an angle?

Gwenhwyfar · 21/04/2021 19:37

@DdraigGoch

Plaid are TWAW too? The decision on who to vote for next month is getting even easier.
Where do you live? HMJ is gender critical.
Shedbuilder · 21/04/2021 19:42

@DicklessWonder

Chwaroae Teg (Fair Play for Women)

Chwarae Teg just means Fair Play. FPFW is a different organisation.

Yes, sorry: it's been a few years since I was there in Wales and it's showing!
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devildeepbluesea · 21/04/2021 19:43

This is so very disappointing. I know Chwarae Teg, and thought I knew their CEO. Thankfully I learn that the person I knew has moved on. I wish I'd known about this. I'll sign up and ask to join the next one.

GNCQ · 21/04/2021 19:58

How do you pronounce Chwaroae Teg is it "Shwaree teg" ?

DicklessWonder · 21/04/2021 20:02

@GNCQ

How do you pronounce Chwaroae Teg is it "Shwaree teg" ?
Absolutely not. The Ch is similar, but not exactly the same, to the ch sound in Loch. It’s Chwaa-rye. And the Teg rhymes with hair with a g on the end (long vowel).
DicklessWonder · 21/04/2021 20:03

There is no “o” in chwarae, by the way.

Julietbalcony · 21/04/2021 20:06

HMJ has been silenced. Suddenly, with an election coming up, she is no longer GC.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55259522.amp

JoodyBlue · 21/04/2021 20:09

Yes, inclusivity in it's current iteration means excluding anyone, women specifically who don't accept TWAW. Inclusivity as a strategy means excluding people who disagree. This is why people make the comparison to Orwell and 1984.

Olderbadger1 · 21/04/2021 20:27

It was a shocking example of the extent of the capture but Cwarae-Teg's CEO has form in this regard. They put out an ad asking for people who identified as girls or young women to contact them for a survey. The CEO called people who objected 'haters' and refused to respond to the politest of messages, including from grassroots group Merched Cymru: merchedcymru.wales/2020/11/03/we-are-not-haters-response-to-chwarae-teg-ceo/

They are WG funded but only represent women who believe that people can change sex.

Shedbuilder · 21/04/2021 20:29

@DicklessWonder

There is no “o” in chwarae, by the way.
Well, thank you for correcting me again, DicklessWonder. I'd say your powers of observation are unparalleled were it not for the fact you missed it first time round. But at least I got it right in the header, didn't I?

For the PP above who wanted to know how to pronounce it, when I was working in south-west Wales it was always known as Kwa-ray Teg, but doubtless there'll be someone from mid Wales and then someone from North Wales along, followed by someone from the border to say no, it's pronounced differently (and correctly) in their area.

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AdaFuckingShelby · 21/04/2021 20:30

That is a really clear example of the new 'inclusivity'. Excluding women for asking polite and valid questions about how issues affect women and girls. Brave New World.

Olderbadger1 · 21/04/2021 20:32

If any of you can bear what will probably be a similarly female-silencing hustings event, the Women's Equality Network Wales (entirely captured) are holding their hustings on Friday 23rd: www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/wencafe-equalities-hustings-tickets-148747199879

You can submit questions in advance. But probably not questions about women. Or equality.

DicklessWonder · 21/04/2021 20:32

Wasn’t correcting you, @Shedbuilder. I was correcting @GNCQ 🤷🏻‍♀️

EarthSight · 21/04/2021 20:49

For those wondering how to pronounce it, the 'ch' is similar to 'loch'.

It's chooa-ra teg (with an 'eh' sound in the middle). Southerners would say 'chooa-reh'. Just a dialect difference.

EarthSight · 21/04/2021 20:54

Maybe it's futile me trying to explain because some are going to mispronounce it as 'chooa-ray' instead of 'chooa-reh'. The 'e' at the end sounds like the 'e' in 'ember'. You have that sound at the beginning and middle of words in English, but I can't think of a one where you have it at the end, hence the tendency to mispronounce it as 'ray' to make it sound more familiar to the English ear.

Gwenhwyfar · 21/04/2021 20:57

She has apologised for certain tweets, but she is still gender critical.