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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

School Transgender Policy

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WhoWants2Know · 15/04/2021 09:52

I got an email this morning with my eldest's school's new transgender policy. Complete with "assigned at birth", students choosing their changing rooms, and all of it will be taught in PSHE. The school wants to achieve a "Rainbow Flag Award".

It's not that I would want trans kids to be bullied. I feel that they are presenting an idea as a fact, and removing the choice from children who don't want to change with a opposite-bodied child.

It was presented as a done deal. Is this just every school now? Is there any point in responding?

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PronounssheRa · 15/04/2021 09:57

I saw this on Twitter this AM, it was for @Primani whose thread I think was deleted, but it might be useful here as well. The policy is probably against government guidelines so worth checking

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1382580183048323072

School Transgender Policy
MrsWooster · 15/04/2021 10:00

Every point responding. Get the relevant info from Transgender Trend and Safe School Alliea ce. The school are abdicating their responsibility to all groups: they’re removing single sex legal rights and they aren’t bothering to provide third, private spaces for children who don’t feel comfortable changing in the area that matches their sex.
They are also taking a line which tacitly claims “TWAW /TMAM” without acknowledging that this is an ideological position.
If they want “Rainbow flag” awards, they need to do so by adding facilities for marginalised groups, not by removing facilities from legally protected groups (or indeed from any group; no group of teen boys wants a peer they have known as a girl all their life watching them change).
Fight this. Get help, but fight.

WhoWants2Know · 15/04/2021 10:03

Thanks, that's really useful. I'll read from those sources and then respond

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WhoWants2Know · 15/04/2021 10:05

The policy did explicitly say "trans boys can change in the boys changing room because they are boys" and vice versa.

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ValancyRedfern · 15/04/2021 10:05

No. Definitely not every school. Look at the safe schools alliance and transgender trend schools guidance. Lots of trans policies have had to be withdrawn because they contravene existing laws/guidelines.

HermioneWeasley · 15/04/2021 10:06

Definitely worth challenging, and mobilising other parents to do so as well. Also complain to governors if no joy with school

Schools have to provide single sex toilets (and changing facilities?) and given the current discussion about sexual assaults in schools, this is vital for girls. Also girls from certain religious backgrounds cannot share with boys.

DOE guidance says not allowed to talk about “wrong body” and the high court recently determined that children can’t consent to puberty blockers and saw evidence that vast majority of kids desist, so I’d definitely want to review the content they’re using in PHSE classes to make sure they’re compliant and accurate/factual

UppityPuppity · 15/04/2021 10:08

trans boys can change in the boys changing room because they are boys

How many safeguarding and education fails is the school clocking up?

OldCrone · 15/04/2021 10:13

Links to Transgender Trend resources page with their guidance for schools:
www.transgendertrend.com/schools-resources/

Template letter about trans toolkits from Safe Schools Alliance:
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/letter-templates/#Trans_toolkits_letter

Albacross · 15/04/2021 10:15

Are you in Scotland or elsewhere in U.K.?

R0wantrees · 15/04/2021 10:20

Resources for parents/carers and schools:

Transgender Trend: www.transgendertrend.com/category/schools/
Safe Schools Alliance: safeschoolsallianceuk.net/resources-2/factsheets/

Department of Education
'Plan your relationships, sex and health curriculum
Information to help school leaders plan, develop and implement the new statutory curriculum.'
September 2020

(extract)
Using external agencies
External agencies can provide speakers, tools and resources to enhance and supplement the curriculum.

It is important when using external agencies to take particular care that the agency and any materials used are appropriate and in line with your school’s legal duties regarding political impartiality. Your local authority, governing body and headteacher must:

forbid the pursuit of partisan political activities by junior pupils
forbid the promotion of partisan political views in the teaching of any subject in the school
take reasonably practicable steps to secure that where political issues are brought to the attention of pupils, they are offered a balanced presentation of opposing views
The Independent School Standards, which apply to all independent schools (and most of which apply to academies) have similar provisions relating to the promotion of partisan political views and offering a balanced presentation of opposing views.

Schools are responsible for ensuring that speakers, tools and resources do not undermine the fundamental British values of democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs.

When deciding on the external agencies and resources to use, you should make appropriate checks to ensure that the agencies’ approach to teaching relationships education, relationships and sex education and health education and the resources that they plan to use comply with:

your school’s policy
the Teaching Standards
the Equality Act 2010
the Human Rights Act 1998
the Education Act 1996
You should engage with agencies to ensure their approach to teaching about relationships education, relationships and sex education and health education is balanced and the resources they intend to use are age-appropriate and aligned to the developmental stage of the pupils being taught. Schools should exercise their judgement reasonably, in line with their legal responsibilities, in the selection of providers and resources to be used. You should exercise extreme caution when working with external agencies and proceed only if you have full confidence in the agency, its approach and the resources it uses." (continues)

Ensuring content is appropriate
The safety of children is of paramount importance in school.

We are aware that topics involving gender and biological sex can be complex and sensitive matters to navigate. You should not reinforce harmful stereotypes, for instance by suggesting that children might be a different gender based on their personality and interests or the clothes they prefer to wear. Resources used in teaching about this topic must always be age-appropriate and evidence based. Materials which suggest that non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different gender identity should not be used and you should not work with external agencies or organisations that produce such material. While teachers should not suggest to a child that their non-compliance with gender stereotypes means that either their personality or their body is wrong and in need of changing, teachers should always seek to treat individual students with sympathy and support.

You should work together with parents on any decisions regarding your school’s treatment of their child, in line with the school’s safeguarding policy and the statutory guidance on working together to safeguard children." (continues)
www.gov.uk/guidance/plan-your-relationships-sex-and-health-curriculum#using-external-agencies

mejon · 15/04/2021 10:45

Have a look at the Safe Schools Alliance website which is linked to above. Many local authorities have withdrawn similar transgender policies after the legal challenge to the Oxford CC one. Much of the information in them is misinterpreted, incorrect and/or misleading and many are based on a guide originally devised by Brighton/Allsorts if I remember correctly.

If you do contact the school, make sure to also contact the Education lead at your LA too.

Shizuku · 15/04/2021 11:55

Hey Mumsnet HQ, you recently moved 2 of my threads about trans people to the LGBT boards, but you seem to have missed this one.

Thought I should mention it - I mean you wouldn't want to be accused of bias would you?

Erkrie · 15/04/2021 11:56

This is going completely against the new guidelines. As well as the above advice I'd also contact Baroness Nicholson.

transbadger · 15/04/2021 12:06

@Shizuku

Hey Mumsnet HQ, you recently moved 2 of my threads about trans people to the LGBT boards, but you seem to have missed this one.

Thought I should mention it - I mean you wouldn't want to be accused of bias would you?

The OP has chosen to put this on the feminism board. This is where they are seeking advice. Who are you to dictate where they should ask for advice about their children's schooling?

Floisme · 15/04/2021 12:15

I don't know what the other threads were about but I think the focus here is the potential impact of the guidelines on the rights and dignity of teenage girls, and so this board seems entirely appropriate.

Erkrie · 15/04/2021 12:17

Indeed. I wouldn't look in LGBT for issues around school policy in the UK, although I could of course make a habit of doing so. I don't suppose that section want to be inundated with the significantly increased traffic about school issues though particularly.

Erkrie · 15/04/2021 12:18

Yes I agree. The impact on teenage girls is a feminist issue.

RedDogsBeg · 15/04/2021 12:22

@UppityPuppity

trans boys can change in the boys changing room because they are boys

How many safeguarding and education fails is the school clocking up?

Indeed, how loud are the alarm bells ringing? Can they not hear them or, more likely, they are choosing to ignore them and when the inevitable shit hits the fan their Rainbow Flag Award will be as much use as a chocolate teapot - they will be the ones who have to answer for their safeguarding failures, they will be the ones in the dock.
Shizuku · 15/04/2021 12:27

"Who are you to dictate"

I'm not dictating - I'm trying to see what the rules are. Mumsnet HQ - can you clarify? Is it just trans-related posts which might cast a positive light on trans people or a negative light on GC people, or that don't support GC ideology that get moved to the LGBT boards, or am I missing something?

RedDogsBeg · 15/04/2021 12:29

@Shizuku

"Who are you to dictate"

I'm not dictating - I'm trying to see what the rules are. Mumsnet HQ - can you clarify? Is it just trans-related posts which might cast a positive light on trans people or a negative light on GC people, or that don't support GC ideology that get moved to the LGBT boards, or am I missing something?

Contact MNHQ direct, no-one in this thread can answer you and I doubt MNHQ are reading every thread and every post just in case someone asks them a question.
forfucksakenett · 15/04/2021 12:32

@Shizuku if you report your own post on here then @MNHQ will be able to read it.

sanluca · 15/04/2021 12:34

It is amazing how the needs of girls always seem to be overlooked, and in this case in a drive to get a f*cking award. The school wants an award so they will sacrifice the feelings of girls and to be fair, the feelings of boys as well. Are they nuts?

Erkrie · 15/04/2021 12:39

It is sacrificing the feelings of boys and girls. But I would say the impact of that is much harder on girls, in terms of safety and dignity. Seems to me this is just modern day misogyny dressed up as progress. And they can even get awards for it. The previous generations of misogynists missed a trick there with the award thing.

Shizuku · 15/04/2021 12:42

[quote forfucksakenett]**@Shizuku* if you report your own post on here then @MNHQ* will be able to read it. [/quote]
Thanks, I might try that.

Floisme · 15/04/2021 12:43

I imagine too op that many parents of teenage boys - who can be unbelievably self conscious about their bodies - would also support a challenge.

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