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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Greens Manifesto

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/04/2021 11:25

Full manifesto available here:

greens.scot/ourfuture

Women and Equalities excerpts:

The Scottish Greens stand firmly for inclusive,
intersectional feminism which recognises not only that gender inequality runs deep in our society, but also that it is affected by other kinds of inequality like wealth, disability, racial injustice, LGBT+ discrimination and more.

The impact of COVID has worsened pre-existing
gender inequalities, from the uneven burden of
both paid and unpaid care work, to the impact of gender based violence and the barriers to accessing support under the pandemic restrictions. However there have also been positive developments. Many employers have been forced to recognise not only that flexible and remote working is possible, but also how gender inequality affects the way people’s home lives impact on their working lives. Learning
from the experience of COVID could result in
real improvements to equal, accessible and flexible working arrangements.

The Scottish Greens will:
• Fully integrate gender budgeting into all public
budgeting processes.
• Place closing the gender pay gap at the heart of our plans for a green recovery.
• Support the work of the expert group
established to examine how the criminal justice
system deals with misogyny.

We will:
• Deliver long overdue reforms to the Gender Recognition Act, including statutory self declaration, recognising non-binary identities and all genders, and providing access to health care for trans minors with parental or guardian consent.
• Introduce an informed consent model of trans
healthcare, and in the meantime continue to
push for access to Gender Identity Clinics
within 18 weeks, in line with NHS standards
for other services.
• Ban so-called “conversion therapy”, which refers to unethical and unnecessary interventions that seek to change the sexual orientation or gender identity of LGBT+ people or alter a person’s sex characteristics without
their consent.
• Ensure LGBT+ inclusion in Scottish
Government international development policies,
and enshrining the Yogyakarta human rights
principles into Scots law.

We will fight for the decriminalisation of sex work to ensure sex workers are legally protected from exploitation, trafficking and violence and have improved access to support and healthcare.

The Scottish Greens believe we need to do
much more to tackle endemic sexual harassment and violence against women in Scotland. We will develop a strategy that effectively prevents and responds to violence, and that centres the needs and concerns of survivors. At its heart will be a focus on education, through ensuring the delivery of high quality consent based relationship and sex education, training and information campaigns, and on ensuring public services better respond to survivors of abuse. We support reform of the criminal justice system so that it better works for survivors, and will create a Victims Commissioner for Scotland to represent the interests of victims and to drive improvements and innovation in the justice system.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/04/2021 11:28

The Rainbow Greens manifesto is currently unavailable, but one of their co-convenors is discussed here: wingsoverscotland.com/the-quiet-part-out-loud/

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 14/04/2021 11:30

Hilarious. Five stars.

(Hey, Patrick, if you can't define sex you can't define sexism)

The4Seasons · 14/04/2021 12:40

On the BBC website one of their key manifesto points is also to combat climate change by investing in transports. I'm really struggling to see the link.

RabbitOfCaerbannog · 14/04/2021 12:52

They're so confused

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 14/04/2021 12:58

“We will develop a strategy that effectively prevents and responds to violence, and that centres the needs and concerns of survivors” but opposed the amendment to ensure that female rape victims could request a female examiner Hmm

highame · 14/04/2021 13:16

That gender word got a good outing. or alter a person’s sex characteristics without their consent. I'm trying to work out what this means? Does it refer to hospital records?

theskyispink · 14/04/2021 14:45

Government international development policies, and enshrining the Yogyakarta human rights principles into Scots law.

Direct mention of the Yogyakarta principles - not seen that in a manifesto before. Quite the FU to GC women.

The manifesto as a whole seems more about LGBT+ demographics than women. Look at the tiny paragraph of vague waffle women get compared to them.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 14/04/2021 14:48

I do agree that the waiting lists for gender clinics are appalling. The problem, though, isn't an admin one - it's that they don't have the workforce to manage the huge spike in referrals. We could train more staff (a challenge as this is such an unevidenced specialism and it takes 10 years to train a specialist medic) or we could investigate why so many young people are having gender issues.

BlackForestCake · 14/04/2021 15:13

by "healthcare" do they mean hormone treatments and surgery on children too young to get a tattoo?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/04/2021 15:31

I suspect so. And looking for parental rather than child consent to circumvent the Bell-Tavistock ruling.

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OhHolyJesus · 14/04/2021 17:13

Duly noted by For Women Scot

Update on Stop the Scottish Government redefining "woman" to include men

Having spoken to our lawyers and considered the financial implications and the appetite for this case, we have decided that we will appeal the decision on the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act. Our legal team is confident that the judgement is legally challengeable.
We have already seen this law cited by lobbyists hoping to roll back women's rights, and we have seen an MP claim that she would have no issue with a “gender balanced” board made up of 50% men and 50% transwomen. The Scottish Government also take the view that men who self-identify as women, are women - and this will be the basis of future policies. Therefore, we feel we have a duty to Scottish women to continue to fight: we cannot leave this law on the statute books to the detriment of women.
We would rather we did not have to seek redress from the courts, but as the Scottish Government continues to refuse to engage with women, we have little choice. Unchallenged, we feel this would only embolden those who wish to undermine Equality Act 2010 - we understand that the Scottish Green Party are now demanding the adoption of the flawed Yogyakarta Principles into Scots Law.
A reclaiming motion was formally marked on 9th April and we will leave open our fundraiser. Thank you so much for your support thus far, we cannot do this without you.

terryleather · 14/04/2021 18:11

The Yogyakarta Principles are a lobbyists' wish list with no actual legal standing or basis and as such should be given as much credence as my yearly xmas list to santa.

I believe that amongst it's demands/"recommendations" is Principle #31 which states:

A) Ensure that official identity documents only include personal information that is relevant, reasonable and necessary as required by the law for a legitimate purpose, and thereby end the registration of the sex and gender of the person in identity documents such as birth certificates,...

Apparently the EHRC promote the YPs as "international best practice", which shows how far the idea laundering has gone...

I wouldn't give the fudmeister Patrick Harvie a lick o' my shite let alone my vote.

NecessaryScene1 · 14/04/2021 18:25

should be given as much credence as my yearly xmas list to santa.. I believe that amongst it's demands/"recommendations"

This certainly would be a good time to do like that other document and go through the list of stuff and challenge the Greens for supporting them.

This is far more specific - this isn't Stonewall supporting ILGA supporting a wacky international document.

The is the Greens saying that they want to adopt an wacky international document as policy for Scotland.

UppityPuppity · 14/04/2021 18:42

The Greens have completely lost the plot.

Womanhood on say so, women’s bodies a place of employment, irreversibly harming children to interventions, infertility, loss of sexual function before that have capacity to consent, enabling homophobic parents to trans the gay away.

If they want to protect prostituted women, they could be very clear on prosecuting pimps/punters/pushers etc but I guess they forgot that bit.

Seriously, no way ever....

terryleather · 14/04/2021 18:43

The is the Greens saying that they want to adopt an wacky international document as policy for Scotland.

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the SNP also talk about adopting the YPs - I seem to remember it referred to in the GRA consultation amongst other things, yet again with reference to it as "best international practice".

Terrifying.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/04/2021 18:49

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the SNP also talk about adopting the YPs

ScotGov certainly do...

The Scottish Government expressed the view in the consultation that the Yogyakarta Principles, in particular Principle 3 (right to recognition before the law), embody best practice in relation to legal gender recognition processes permitting trans people to seek legal recognition in the gender in which they live.

www.gov.scot/publications/foi-18-01666/

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 15/04/2021 11:24

HOLY SHIT

Greer was right. We have no idea how much they hate us.

terryleather · 15/04/2021 15:07

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

HOLY SHIT

Greer was right. We have no idea how much they hate us.

Absolutely, it's like being constantly slapped in the face when confronted by it and that feels like it happens on an almost daily basis...then folk wonder why we're "obsessed"...
Biscuitsanddoombar · 15/04/2021 15:14

I don’t know why they bothered writing all that nonsense when what they really mean is

“Anyone found to be gender critical Will be be burned at the stake, Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia and 2+2 can equal
5, we’ll have no facts here”

SmokedDuck · 15/04/2021 15:15

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

HOLY SHIT

Greer was right. We have no idea how much they hate us.

I don't think it's mainly men pushing this stuff, I'm afraid. The worst attacks I've had over it are from women.
terryleather · 15/04/2021 16:32

That's as maybe Smoked, but the ideology itself is rooted in misogyny no matter which sex is trying to enforce it.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/04/2021 17:09

I just looked up what happened to J K Rowling and saw screenshots of the angry comments directed at her.

Many where from trans ‘women’ ( their photos were included) saying she could suck their dick and calling her a ‘cunt’ and a ‘bitch’.

Can they not see how inane of them it is to threaten her with ‘cock’ while claiming to be ‘women’?

Or call her the strictly female terms ‘cunt’ and ‘bitch’ so as to distinguish her from their own trans selves while on other counts refusing to accept women as a distinct sex?

ScrollingLeaves · 15/04/2021 17:14

I do apologise as O posted on the wrong message board.

It is alarming though that women really might be threatened by the ‘lady cock’ of trans men - if the testimony of some of those JK Rowling verbal abusers is anything to go by.

Gothichouse40 · 15/04/2021 17:23

I would not vote Green, they are the SNP in disguise and I do not like Patrick Harvie. I also don't like the sound of not being able to sell your home unless it meets certain Green criteria. Well stuff that! My house is my house, if the Green Party had paid my mortgage and all the repairs for the last 20 odd years I may have felt differently. I have not commented on gender issues as it is all quite complex and I am still trying to understand all the issues.

NiceGerbil · 16/04/2021 03:23

OP

Why have you added the stuff from the LGBT+ section into the OP as if it's under the women bit?

I think that's somewhat iffy.

We can read the original.

There is plenty to talk about without doing that sort of thing.

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