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Gender Recognition Certificate for a fiver

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Changemusthappen · 08/04/2021 08:51

Very surprised by this as I thought the GRA inquiry was still ongoing. I think this is disappointing. So now you can change a few documents, 'live as a woman (man), pay a fiver and voila you are recognised as the opposite sex.

A step in the wrong direction. I am wondering whats happening with the inquiry, the oral evidence of the women's groups due in April is no longer listed.

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bebanjo · 08/04/2021 09:02

I saw this yesterday, I did wonder if it would help or hinder if thousands of individuals who had never previously voiced any dysphoria suddenly applied for the certificate.

Xanthangum · 08/04/2021 09:03

Not good enough for some though.

Nancy Kelley, chief executive of LGBT charity Stonewall, said any fee "creates a barrier for some trans people".

Leafstamp · 08/04/2021 09:16

the oral evidence of the women's groups due in April is no longer listed.

This is confusing/concerning. Can you link to where you think it should be?

I was under the impression that the next speaking representatives (from women’s groups) were going to be announced on Monday (12th) and the oral evidence would be heard on 21st.

Some discussion on page 6 here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4194720-Womens-and-Equalities-inquiry-into-the-Reform-of-the-Gender-Recognition-Act?pg=6

allmywhat · 08/04/2021 09:17

I think the government said they were going to do this after the GRA consultation, it was their compromise to avoid going to full self-ID.

Reducing it to 5 quid seems like a canny move if you assume the Government are trying to stoke the culture wars to screw over Labour (I do assume this.)

I think a lot of people are going to hear about how you can change your gender on your birth certificate for a fiver and think that it's ridiculous . And on the other side of the argument you've got Stonewall and no doubt many other TRA types whining it's still too much money - that ought to go down really well, especially with anyone who recently got a new passport, or anyone who's unfamiliar with the sheer mindblowing entitlement of this movement.

allmywhat · 08/04/2021 09:20

I think the government said they were going to do this after the GRA consultation, it was their compromise to avoid going to full self-ID.

to be clear they said they'd reduce the fee, they didn't say they'd reduce it to five quid.

DisgustedofManchester · 08/04/2021 09:22

It is still a medicalised process. If you think reducing the cost makes it any easier then... well I have no words

Notoriouslynotnotious · 08/04/2021 09:23

There is no need to charge a fee for GRC. Whether they should exist at all I would question but if they do then they should be free.

allmywhat · 08/04/2021 09:25

well I have no words

if only.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/04/2021 09:27

My understanding was that it was always means-tested, so many people would have been able to get a GRC for a very low fee or even no fee. I believe some have commented that the two medical reports required often have to be paid for, so that bumps up the cost. A well-known Twitter legal expert tweeted a while back how easy and quick it had been to get a GRC, so not everybody finds it an onerous process.

Tibtom · 08/04/2021 09:37

Onerous? Ha! Try filling in a DLA application form or for PIP when you have learning disabilities, short term memory loss and are dyslexic.

I don't understand why anyone thinks it should be easy and barrier free? Even for those subscribing to transideology it is hardly a trivial matter is it?

ErrolTheDragon · 08/04/2021 09:46

@DisgustedofManchester

It is still a medicalised process. If you think reducing the cost makes it any easier then... well I have no words

I honestly don't care if they charge a fiver or nothing. If the GRC exists, it shouldn't be something that can be in any sense bought. But are you implying it shouldn't be in any way a 'medicalised process'?

ThatsShitTryHarder · 08/04/2021 09:48

@allmywhat

well I have no words

if only.

Deliriumoftheendless · 08/04/2021 09:49

@DisgustedofManchester

It is still a medicalised process. If you think reducing the cost makes it any easier then... well I have no words

Oh I’m sure you have a few.

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Changemusthappen · 08/04/2021 09:50

@Leafstamp - I was on that other thread too. The next group were due 12th April, that oral evidence session is no longer there, in fact there are no planned sessions:

committees.parliament.uk/work/658/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/

We know already that many are just using self id and because you cannot ask to see a certficate (see prisons thread) actually having one is probably neither here nor there to many who want to access women's spaces.

i am waiting now to see where this goes, it just worries me that this is the next step to the government just caving to the activists.

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GNCQ · 08/04/2021 10:18

@Notoriouslynotnotious

There is no need to charge a fee for GRC. Whether they should exist at all I would question but if they do then they should be free.

You have to pay £50 to change the address on your driving license.

Thecatonthemat · 08/04/2021 10:19

Of course they have caved in. All the hearings were completely one sided and the feminist point of view , despite being clearly presented was dismissed by the panel of MPs who had already made up their minds. Has all the written evidence been published yet?
Years ago I helped my parents and daughter complete various forms for attendance allowance and other benefits. Despite having some knowledge, it was an extremely long and arduous process, and nobody offered to make it easier for them or me.
why this fantasy idea is being pushed, is beyond me. It will also be downright dangerous . We must keep pushing back against it but there is no reason to it.

OldCrone · 08/04/2021 10:25

You have to pay £50 to change the address on your driving license.

It does not cost anything to change your address with DVLA.

www.gov.uk/tell-dvla-changed-address

I don't think making stuff up really helps.

nauticant · 08/04/2021 12:18

I'm not that fussed over the fee so long as the requirement for gender dysphoria remains so that getting a GRC isn't simply a lifestyle choice.

Tibtom · 08/04/2021 12:28

The fee is neither here nor there. GRC simply should not exist.

Thelnebriati · 08/04/2021 12:30

The old fee was means tested, is it still free if you are on benefits?

PotholeHellhole · 08/04/2021 13:03

For confused readers wondering where the fiver figure might have come from.

The cost of applying will fall to about £5 from the start of May, government sources say.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56654910

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/04/2021 13:14

Well it’s one way of seeing if the fee really is the problem it was stated to be!

PotholeHellhole · 08/04/2021 13:22

I'm all for it. Eyeshadow must cost more than that.

GNCQ · 08/04/2021 13:29

@OldCrone

You have to pay £50 to change the address on your driving license.

It does not cost anything to change your address with DVLA.

www.gov.uk/tell-dvla-changed-address

I don't think making stuff up really helps.

Sorry, genuinely thought it did

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 08/04/2021 13:38

And in yet another example of double standards and treating normal people as if they are completely thick; why is it recognised that any initial financial outlay in anything is a barrier to normal people in this one small area that, completely coincidentally, involves removing women’s rights and pushing them out of the way for men, but is not so recognised anywhere else in the realm of employment?

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