New book "Trans" by Helen Joyce

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trans-When-Ideology-Meets-Reality/dp/0861540492/ref=sr11_1?dchild=1&keywords=Helen+Joyce&qid=1617731518&sr=8-1

I have just pre-ordered this. It looks really interesting and is endorsed by Jenni Murray amongst others. I think there is also the chance of a fund to try to get copies out to MPs etc. I am certain it will be worth a read. It would also be good if people could try to order it via libraries so that there are copies bought into local branches.

just started it today, its enlightening so far.

Helen Joyce talks to Andrew Doyle on the Free Speech Nation podcast.

Have bought and just reading David Aaronovitch review - have learnt that this from review and blood is boiling already.

“‘A level playing field is a fallacy,’ says Dr Myron Genel, Yale professor emeritus of pediatric endocrinology. He is a member of the International Olympic Committee’s medical commission on issues regarding gender identity in athletics. “There’s so many other factors that may provide a competitive advantage,” Genel says. “It’s very hard to single out sex as the only one.” Look at the stats, Myron, for heaven’s sake."

Googled Dr Myron Genel and he looks like an arrogant Commander from Gilead. Slow hand clap for the man who destroyed women's sports.

Review

David A is getting some abuse on Twitter for this review. Well done him for speaking out.

For me, it's currently showing as number 14 on the bestseller list:
www.amazon.co.uk/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Given that everything else around it is basically summer beach reading, that's pretty phenomenal.

Hahaha do not mess with Helen. She will sue

twitter.com/hjoycegender/status/1416467646539829253?s=21

I’m going to get mine from my local Waterstones I think. I want them to see that people are buying it.

@InvisibleDragon

For me, it's currently showing as number 14 on the bestseller list: ]]

Given that everything else around it is basically summer beach reading, that's pretty phenomenal.

And Troubled Blood is (still) at number 24

I've just started reading this and it is so interesting. Well written, easy to follow and I've already learnt so much about the history.
And good for Helen for threatening to sue the zealots who lie and smear and slander in order to silence women. No more!

[quote Theeyeballsinthesky]Hahaha do not mess with Helen. She will sue

twitter.com/hjoycegender/status/1416467646539829253?s=21[/quote]
Oh gosh the quote tweets are being wheeled out!!

[quote NonnyMouse1337]Helen Joyce talks to Andrew Doyle on the Free Speech Nation podcast.

[/quote] This is a really good conversation. It's a long video but the length allows them to discuss all the main points in the book.

@InvisibleDragon

For me, it's currently showing as number 14 on the bestseller list: ]]

Given that everything else around it is basically summer beach reading, that's pretty phenomenal.

That’s Amazon UK. It’s doing even better in the US.

They've sold out of hardbacks last time I looked on Amazon UK and not available in many Waterstones apparently. Whether they didn't order enough stock or it's deliberate I don't know.

@hoteltango

I've pre-ordered the kindle version.

If I can think of a way of donating this (and other similar books) to my local library but anonymously, I'll get a print copy as well.

Just ask them to order it in

Also I notice the predictable trolls are already leaving one star reviews on Amazon. If you've read it and enjoyed it please leave a positive review. I don't always bother but when someone is being deliberately trolled I always do.

I wish Andrew Doyle was on a more mainstream channel with more viewers. Free Speech Nation is so good. If GB News goes down the tube I hope the BBC find the balls to commission it. That's where it should be.

Re more books giving the more pro gender side

Whipping Girl by Julia Serano is often recommended and I've read about half of it.

Out of the Shadows by Christine Burns ought to be interesting

The Dialectic of Sex by Shulamith Firestone because she is often quoted as the origin of the view that women's liberation meant moving on to a point where sex was irrelevant.

Argh sorry Trans Britain by Christine Burns

@Mollyollydolly

Also I notice the predictable trolls are already leaving one star reviews on Amazon. If you've read it and enjoyed it please leave a positive review. I don't always bother but when someone is being deliberately trolled I always do.

You can report fake reviews, I think.

Also you can click on the reviewer's name and read their other reviews, which are often an odd little glimpse into their lives.

I have reported some. I think I may return for a glimpse into their lives!

Excellent review by Kathleen Stock. I also highly recommend her book Material Girls.

www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph-review/20210717/281754157334563

Guardian review.

www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/18/trans-by-helen-joyce-material-girls-by-kathleen-stock-reviews

[quote NotTerfNorCis]Guardian review.

www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/18/trans-by-helen-joyce-material-girls-by-kathleen-stock-reviews[/quote]
Quote from the Guardian review:

"Instead, we get an exasperated polemic accusing activists of so aggressively overreaching themselves as to provoke “a backlash that will harm ordinary trans people who simply want safety and social acceptance”. They’d be better off focusing on improving trans healthcare, Joyce argues, not demanding access to women-only spaces or puberty blockers for teenagers. But what if being able to use women’s changing rooms, rather than fearing violence in the men’s, is very much an issue of “safety and social acceptance” to many trans women – albeit one that may leave some women feeling less safe? Refusing to acknowledge these fundamental conflicts precludes finding solutions."

My bolding. That glorious irony of the final sentence in the paragraph will escape few, I feel...

I think Gaby Hinslif's review will turn out to be a useful one.

I think Gaby Hinsliff's review is really useful. I've been waiting for a thoughtful review from the broadly non-GC viewpoint. Quite brave of her to write it.

The barrister who defended May Forstater's employer got a ton of at least verbal abuse. I hope Gaby Hinsliff doesn't.

Thanks for this thread. Have ordered both Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stock’s books.

My copy is hopefully on its way to me. Managed to get it from Hive, it had gone out of stock and had come back in so worth checking periodically if still needing a copy.