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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A Woman's Place is fighting for women's services - Online 15 April 2021 19:00 – 20:30

31 replies

stumbledin · 31/03/2021 13:58

We are honoured to host a courageous panel at the forefront of the sector challenging male violence against women. They are creating, providing, developing and defending services for and with women victims and survivors of men's violence. Register to join us online on Thursday 15 April to hear, and ask your questions, about the fight for women's specialist services.

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-fighting-for-womens-services-tickets-148108180555

Sad to say I have my doubts about this as not sure that all those speaking are aren't part of "women's" services that think TWAW. Sad

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Lettera · 31/03/2021 14:04

I've booked. Despite sharing your reservations stumbled I would like to hear Karen Ingala Smith speak.

teawamutu · 31/03/2021 20:03

Booked! Thank you.

SapphosRock · 02/04/2021 21:00

I've booked, thank you for sharing. Very interested to hear these speakers.

PandorasMailbox · 03/04/2021 13:36

I've booked a ticket for this. I'll be interested to hear the reasoning of anyone who does spout the TWAW line.

TheSuezCanalTugBoat · 03/04/2021 15:24

I am also interested in hearing the other side of this debate.

TheSuezCanalTugBoat · 03/04/2021 15:24

I really hope WPUK open the chat box on the call. It's always my favourite part of these events!

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 03/04/2021 16:18

I am not sure why you sound so dubious about this or am I misjudging your tone?

WarOnWomen · 03/04/2021 18:45

Sounds interesting. Booked.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 03/04/2021 22:06

Looking forward to it. What with being a boring common or garden woman, and all.

PlonitbatPlonit · 03/04/2021 23:24

@WorkingItOutAsIGo

I am not sure why you sound so dubious about this or am I misjudging your tone?
Yes, the tone seems unwarranted from an anonymous poster on Mumsnet, given the grief those who speak in their own name may get for speaking at a WPUK meeting - especially so since the sector they work in has to a significant extent accommodated to the idea that TWAW.
stumbledin · 03/04/2021 23:50

Seriously if you are refering to my comment sometimes it seems FWR can make a conspiracy out of anything,

It is about the fact that WPUK have written a gushing intro about these are the women apparently leading the fight against violence against women and yet on frequent threads FWR commentators are endlessly going on about why doesn't anyone who works for women's services stand up and say they should be for women, as allowed under the EA.

The whole sector has drifted into misusing the word gender when it should be sex (see Pragna Patel guest post littered with the word gender) and it is this that as much as anything that has allowed the whole narrative of twaw and should be allowed into women's refuges.

Dont forget the one of the ironies of Rise in Brighton loosing its funding was that they have always included TW in their "women's services".

It doesn't help anyone deal with the reality of what is going on to lapse into double speak.

And the brutal honesty is that those who created and developed these services have long since retired, never expecting that what they established would have become what it is. By those who took over their work.

And what's all this about annoymous posters. Must of mumsnet dont use their own names.

And as the meeting hasn't happened yet you have no idea what will be said.

If there is an honest discussion about how most women's groups, particularly those in Scotland have accepted the TWAW narrative, because funders forced them into it, it will be really interesting to hear how they are going to turn back that clock. Especially if they took funding to provide services to TW.

Dont forget this has been going on far longer than WPUK existed, and far longer than mumsnet talk.

If they were really going to address this issue as the sector wide problem it is they would have someone from the WRC there, and why they went ahead with the Why Women campaign that most women's groups were expected to sign up to?

Being a feminist doesn't mean being a starry eyed fan.

What would be really interesting is to have had a panel of front line workers in refuges.

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Nilbog · 04/04/2021 11:54

Thank you for sharing @stumbledin. I’ve booked a ticket.

howonearthdidwegethere · 04/04/2021 13:57

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, stumbledin. Have booked a place.

Leafstamp · 09/04/2021 20:05

Sad to say I have my doubts about this

Sad to say I thought the same, but hoping I’m wrong.

It’s chaired by Karen Ingala Smith and has been promoted by Legal Feminist on Twitter, so here’s hoping?

PlonitbatPlonit · 09/04/2021 23:19

@Leafstamp

Sad to say I have my doubts about this

Sad to say I thought the same, but hoping I’m wrong.

It’s chaired by Karen Ingala Smith and has been promoted by Legal Feminist on Twitter, so here’s hoping?

What am I missing here? It's a WPUK event (website here womansplaceuk.org)
Leafstamp · 10/04/2021 13:52

I don’t think you’re missing anything per se Plon.

Stumbled has posted an explanation upthread.

Maybe I’m just cynical/pessimistic. As I said, I hope I’m proved wrong as it does look good on the face of it.

WarOnWomen · 15/04/2021 19:06

Anyone else on zoom meet now?

SapphosRock · 15/04/2021 19:17

Me! Excellent intro by Karen Ingala Smith

SapphosRock · 15/04/2021 20:31

stumbledin hope you were delighted to be proved wrong.

Melroses · 15/04/2021 21:06

Bother missed it.

Why do family always ring when you want to watch something Hmm

Cherrytreeblossoms · 15/04/2021 21:08

Can we watch this back? I didn’t know it was on and it clashed with baby and toddler bedtime.

I am very interested based on my onw experience of not being able to access single sex services and basically being gaslight by staff who told me they would be.

PlonitbatPlonit · 15/04/2021 21:17

The recording will be put up on the Woman's Place UK YouTube channel.

howonearthdidwegethere · 15/04/2021 21:31

Really enjoyed that. Such wonderful speakers and a brilliant chair.

Flowers to them all and to WPUK for hosting

Terranean · 15/04/2021 22:18

Looking forward the recording💐💐 to all the women that have helped putting up this event.

PlonitbatPlonit · 17/04/2021 19:38

Introduction from Thursday night's webinar from Karen Ingala Smith