Children born in the wrong bodies

[Wandawomble]

I’m confused about this - how can children be born in the wrong bodies and why are schools teaching this? Why are adults including people at the BBC, Guardian and Pink News pushing this idea?
How are doctors pushing this too, or members of the Green Party, SNP and Labour?
Where is the science to say that children are born in the wrong bodies?

So one is about thinking you are too fat and the other is about thinking you are not the right biological sex. In both cases there is distorted thinking based on physical appearance.

wanda

The nhs also has a list of criteria that are used to determine dysphoria.

You need 6 out of the 8 to be considered to have GD.

However if you listen to the experts who claim that its not stereotypes or the wring body, and remove the points that refer to the body being wrong and stereotypes, you are not left with enough points on the list to receive a DX.

I can definitely see parallels between GD and anorexia. The biggest difference is for GD is that you're a murderous transphobe if you even think of questioning the medical advice your child is getting from random strangers online.

@Kit19

I thought Mermaids had said this was no longer a thing? that it had in fact never been a thing and we were just misinterpreting it all the time they actually said 'children born in the wrong body'?

They were saying children were born in the wrong bodies, but then said all along they had been secretly identifying as a charity which said children couldn’t be born in the wrong body - if you can’t understand that, and instead believed that they did say children could be born in the wrong body, then that’s on you for not understanding

I think it's mainly male people who feel that they are "in the wrong body", anorexia affects (effects?) females.

Historically, yes, but what we're now seeing is a huge (4000%) uptick in young girls. "Gender dysphoria" is to some extent displacing other young female problems.

This phenomenon has been labelled as ROGD - Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria - to distinguish it from previously-typical childhood cases which tend to be visible from younger ages.

@McPancreas

I can definitely see parallels between GD and anorexia. The biggest difference is for GD is that you're a murderous transphobe if you even think of questioning the medical advice your child is getting from random strangers online.

There are girls in my daughters school “diagnosing” their friends with GD.

@NecessaryScene1 - I have just watched all four episodes of Dysphoric and it just about sums up and connects most of what I have been thinking - thanks so much for posting, its a brilliant documentary.

its a brilliant documentary.

Yes! I was sitting on it for weeks not getting around to it, and now feel daft for not joining in the original discussion thread.

I've been at this for years, and having just seen TERF Wars, I was like, "4 episodes? I think I've seen it all by now..."

But unlike TERF Wars, which was largely just an edit of existing YouTube footage I'd already seen most of, Dysphoric is all entirely new material.

Lots of familiar faces, but all participating in interviews specifically for this documentary, and very coherent as a result.

( is still good though!)

Hopefully some of our resident TRAs will be along shortly to explain, OP.

Personally, I don't believe in a soul, so I don't think it's possible to be born in the 'wrong' body. Our mind is part of our body.

My opinion on anorexia vs gender dysphoria is anorexia sufferers generally know their disorder is detrimental. They don't accept or embrace it. They want treatment.

Whereas with GD, people freed into and affirm it which can be bad.

wee standing up, obvs. I can see standing up perfectly well

I agree on both counts, MrsFin. I’m getting a bit old to jump up and down in a crowd trying to see the stage.

Though having said that, what I wouldn’t give to be in a happy crowd right now ....

If I can change all that, why can't I also take tablets that make me change sex.

Presumably because you don’t literally wish you had a penis instead of a vagina. Or a man face with a permanent deep male sounding voice.

@SweatyPie

My opinion on anorexia vs gender dysphoria is anorexia sufferers generally know their disorder is detrimental. They don't accept or embrace it. They want treatment.

Whereas with GD, people freed into and affirm it which can be bad.

So many similarities though. Just recently I watched this documentary about a Norwegian artist with anorexia. She said it started at puberty because she didn't want to grow up, didn't want her body to mature, didn't want to be woman-shaped.

No human being born in "wrong body" .
Human biological sex is binary.
We all learn to adapt to our biology, and yes we may have issues as we grow up, it does not mean anyone is in "wrong body".
We are all free to explore all the awesome elements that the world provides, whichever body we are in.
We all learn to adapt and accept gravity, and dangers of heat et cetera, we do not delude ourselves that we have a right to fly... we accept laws of nature.

It is sad that so many are being advised they can change their biological sex, it is insane, childhood being taken away.

These kids need education and be helped though their issues.

I am intersex, I would've loved to have had a fully healthy body of either biological sex. I see so many craving for infertility and ruining their lives, for a fantasy that is not possible.

We all face body changes, women more than most,
WE ALL ADAPT .. i have sadly experienced the worse of BOTH sexes, not the best.. I try to help and advise as many as possible, sadly I am viewed as a "terf" or "trans phobic" ... I see parents full of worry, kids being treated by people who do not understand.

Society must bring kids up to understand and adapt the awesome bodies we all have, not to ruin our health.

Cross sex hormones are bad news for every human.
Mutilating surgery is not needed. It is the mind that needs help, not the physical body that is, in the main, HEALTHY.

Even intersex people are not born in the "wrong body" - we have chromosomal abnormalities et cetera, we do not scream oppression, most adapt and suffer in silence..

I have lived as both ... Birth - age 9 male
age 9 - age 19 Female
age 19 - present Male.

I have had many hormones to help, many physical issues, .. and even now, Endometriosis. I would not wish this on any child. yet "puberty blockers" etc is bringing this madness.

Shame on medical professionals .. a decent endocrinologist would advise anyone that biological sex change is IMPOSSIBLE.

Any parents out there, please think... do not drag your child through a route that I have faced due to natural abnormality

Many, like myself, will help.

Would any decent human allow a predator in their home to take away their childs health and fertility ? No!

I also have questions about this, and I've read and researched because I have old school trans friends and I really really want to be as understanding as I can for their sakes.

I've read about people who "knew" from age 3 or 4 that they were "born in the wrong body" but my sticking point is that babies are essentially born a blank slate. For all that intrinsic characteristics exist, they are massively influenced by their environment and the culture they are surrounded by. As they grow they may question or change, part of growing up. But this issue is so big and outside the scope of awareness for most that I wonder about these very definite pronouncements. Take dysphoria off the table and it becomes very very difficult to figure out the whys and hows without appearing to undermine a child's very real feelings and beliefs. Such a minefield for parents when there is so much pressure to act quickly to support them for fear of alienating and potentially harming your child.

@Alex2112

No human being born in "wrong body" . Human biological sex is binary. We all learn to adapt to our biology, and yes we may have issues as we grow up, it does not mean anyone is in "wrong body". We are all free to explore all the awesome elements that the world provides, whichever body we are in. We all learn to adapt and accept gravity, and dangers of heat et cetera, we do not delude ourselves that we have a right to fly... we accept laws of nature.

It is sad that so many are being advised they can change their biological sex, it is insane, childhood being taken away.

These kids need education and be helped though their issues.

I am intersex, I would've loved to have had a fully healthy body of either biological sex. I see so many craving for infertility and ruining their lives, for a fantasy that is not possible.

We all face body changes, women more than most,
WE ALL ADAPT .. i have sadly experienced the worse of BOTH sexes, not the best.. I try to help and advise as many as possible, sadly I am viewed as a "terf" or "trans phobic" ... I see parents full of worry, kids being treated by people who do not understand.

Society must bring kids up to understand and adapt the awesome bodies we all have, not to ruin our health.

Cross sex hormones are bad news for every human.
Mutilating surgery is not needed. It is the mind that needs help, not the physical body that is, in the main, HEALTHY.

Even intersex people are not born in the "wrong body" - we have chromosomal abnormalities et cetera, we do not scream oppression, most adapt and suffer in silence..

I have lived as both ... Birth - age 9 male
age 9 - age 19 Female
age 19 - present Male.

I have had many hormones to help, many physical issues, .. and even now, Endometriosis. I would not wish this on any child. yet "puberty blockers" etc is bringing this madness.

Shame on medical professionals .. a decent endocrinologist would advise anyone that biological sex change is IMPOSSIBLE.

Any parents out there, please think... do not drag your child through a route that I have faced due to natural abnormality

Many, like myself, will help.

Would any decent human allow a predator in their home to take away their childs health and fertility ? No!

What an amazing post, thank you @Alex2112, we often see intersex people used as a shield for the framing of bad science in this article and I’ve seen elsewhere intersex people saying that they don’t like to be used in this way.

*in this article?
I meant “in this argument”

Thanks @Wandawomble for such kind words. I sadly am fed up with how trans ideology has used intersex conditions to validate that biology is not binary.

It is, intersex is not a 3rd biological sex. there is still vast stigma being intersex, one does not tell work colleagues etc. Trans think it is a state that is ideal. It is nothing like that.

Sadly many women seem to have empathy with "trans women", I no longer do, I did 35 yrs ago, but i now know the truth, and sad to see women's right to female only spaces now being undermined, women's sport's being abused.

I would not dream of using my situation to use female changing rooms now - I look male facially , body looks female. I adapt. I avoid sports changing places, these "trans women" demand access, with no respect for women and youngsters.

They have no idea of reality of female biology or issues. I would like them to experience of what a day with endometriosis is like and excessive bleeding for 9 hrs, - they think it i all clothes and glamour.

Only women (and yes some intersex ppl) can know what it "feels" like to be female. Yes i get banned from twitter and facebook for stating the facts.

AND yes I do all i can to raise awareness.

"trans women" in female prisons? madness. it is getting worse, and we are meant to appease the "male" demand to become women?

Surely we all know that is crazy?

Alex thank you for sharing your story. I don't know what else to add without it sounding glib.

Alex2112 thank you for your post.

Thanks @AfternoonToffee

I probably shared too much, but it has to occasionally said, intersex conditions are not a choice, unlike trans issues. And yet intersex ppl are undermined, most of intersex ppl live in sleath, hiding.

I was told (it was the 80's) that it was a secret, and learned it was stigma. Does make me mad when I see, daily now, "trans women" screaming oppression and for more "rights". No respect for women's rights, and no idea of reality. It is now almost fashionable to be "trans" or "non binary" ... I never use the term, just craving normality.

Thanks for words, and I am happy to explain anything, not glib to say anything... believe me I have sense of humour, and having lived as both, and aware of reality... it can be funny. But we are all meant to appease the delusion. And now most people assume i am trans...

Alex for all you've been through. And: hear, hear. I completely agree.

I think this is another reason why comparing being transgender with being gay is a false equivalence. Being same sex attracted is a very easy concept to understand, even if you think it's immoral. Whereas much of what is decried as transphobia is actually just people going 'Eh? I don't get it.'

@Alex2112 thank you for sharing