The solution is a "sex app" apparently

[SerendipityJane]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56438560

Australians have derided a suggestion by the New South Wales (NSW) police commissioner that an app could be used to register sexual consent.

On Thursday, Mick Fuller championed the idea of an app where people could digitally record their mutual agreement to have sex.

He said the technology could be used to establish "positive consent".

This is absolutely bonkers.

What if you used the app and changed your mind?

What if you didn't use the app?

Surely that only protects men

WTAF

What if you "consented" under duress?

What if you were forced to use the app?

What if the sex you thought you were consenting to was nothing like the sex you were subjected to? (Choking etc)

What if you got there and he started doing things you didn't like? Will they have categories for types of sex ie i consent to vanilla sex no rough sex no bondage or anal? Will people think that if they have consented via the app you then cannot change your mind?

It sounds like legalised rape

It's basically a waiver, isn't it? Mmm, nothing gets me in the mood like being asked to sign a waiver. Really puts me at ease.

@Theunamedcat

Surely that only protects men

That's the most important thing of course 😒

@bourbonne

It's basically a waiver, isn't it? Mmm, nothing gets me in the mood like being asked to sign a waiver. Really puts me at ease.

Yes, sounds like a waiver.

Just bring you the news, so you can see how the "thinking" around the world is going.

I hear Dido Harding has shown an interest, and may yet have something to show for the T&T billions in the UK ....

So all rapists need to do is to force their victims to sign into an app as well as forcing them into sex and they have 'proof' it was consensual?
And if he turns violent half way through? Well, he had 'consent'.
This is a beyond stupid idea and clearly thought up by someone who has no clue how sexual violence works.

What a romantic prospect

@Theunamedcat

Surely that only protects men

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IMO any man who is willing to ask a partner to use an app like this, is a man who has no understanding of consent and therefore is a danger.

This is a fucking terrible MRA idea. How do they possibly think it would protect women?

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-18/nsw-sexual-consent-app-proposed-by-mick-fuller/100015782

To be a little bit fair to the guy, he acknowledges in this article it’s “the worst idea [he’s] had all year” so I think he’s trying but got it wrong and realises that now. And apparently they launched a similar app in Denmark.

So f'ing tone deaf. Shows he has no understanding of coercive relationships, rape and sexual assault.

One of the most disturbing threads I ever read on MN was a woman in a sexually controlling relationship, this would not have helped her and there are hundreds of women in similar relationships.

Maybe they also need an app that says "I 100% agree that if a pregnancy arises from this sex act that I will take full responsibility and either abort or abrogate the sperm donor of any responsibility" Signed "The woman".

I wonder how much detail would be given. Would it just be who, when and where or would it be necessary to specify exactly what you plan to do! Oh dear imagine the problems that would arise if there was a data breach.

I wonder how many seconds Mick Fuller thought about ths amazing new proposal before opening his mouth.

I think it could be a terrible idea, but on the other hand it depends a lot on how much weight it's given if a case of alleged rape goes to court.

I'd think of it as similar to a medical consent form, a document that indicates there was some form of process of consent but it is by no means definitive. In medical cases, you not only have to produce a consent form, but demonstrate that the consent was given after a process of information giving, discussion, thinking time and time for questions.

The main difference of course being that if a patient withdraws their consent either just before or during a procedure, I have no vested interest in ploughing on regardless.

The foundation of consent is that at any time you can change your mind. Consent has to be freely given, part of a discussion that is ongoing and regularly checked in on by both parties.

Women need to be free to change their mind about all things that are happening to do with our bodies. Sex included. It’s completely obvious to me writing this as a woman but maybe men need reminding:
Our bodies have a different physical experience in having sex than men’s bodies do. Our bodies are also are at risk of different and perhaps long-lasting issues arising than men’s bodies will ever experience if we have sex or if we get pregnant, again because our bodies have a different form and function to men’s.

This whole idea reminds me of expectations of women to be signing legally-enforceable contracts to enforce things on them in surrogacy even if they change their minds later on, or after the birth. In neither example is it being done to protect the woman’s choices.

This shows they think the real problem is women lying about consent and/or men being confused about whether consent was actually given or not.

It's just another example of how tone deaf both our current leadership is in Australia.

Yes Chatty!