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Clapham Common

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FindTheTruth · 14/03/2021 04:47

Awful scenes Sarah Everard's vigil in Clapham Common last night. Women came to mourn and protest in peace.

The bandstand before
twitter.com/SistersUncut/status/1370847160770699266

The bandstand after
twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1370819072368246786

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Maverickess · 14/03/2021 05:16

Whoever you think is in the right or wrong here, whoever was the instigator and whoever came off worse, the way that turned was not a way to respect and pay tribute to the lady it was in memory of.
I hope what happened to her isn't drowned out by this.

I'm normally a supporter of the police, quite frankly I think they were totally bloody tone deaf.

I do realise though that I'm just seeing a snippet of what happened which may not be wholly representative.

asurvivornotinmyname · 14/03/2021 05:26

I hope the crowds of people didn't cause any delays to domestic abuse call outs in Clapham.

Ifailed · 14/03/2021 05:31

I have a level of sympathy for the police in this situation. The actual law is sufficiently vague, supplemented by loads of 'guidance', often made up on the spot by a government minister in front of a camera. I see Priti Patel is quick to demand a report from the Met, but where was her leadership before the vigil?

asurvivornotinmyname · 14/03/2021 05:39

It would be awful if a woman in Clapham at risk of violence caught covid as a result of the crowds. It's presumably even more difficult to flee an abusive home when unwell.

Imnobody4 · 14/03/2021 13:19

There were many other vigils where the police showed restraint. The Met has a lot of soul searching to do on many fronts.
Nottingham city
twitter.com/tannerruth/status/1370823175240626178?s=19

Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 13:21

The vigil during the day was respectful, sisters uncut couldn't have an agenda, could they?

Thelnebriati · 14/03/2021 13:23

A lot of people are having that very thought Sansaplans.

whataboutbob · 14/03/2021 13:33

Just been there 2 hours ago, lots of people and interestingly didn’t spot any police

Juliesipadwillcallyouback · 14/03/2021 13:34

How dare Sisters Uncut use the murder of Sarah Everard to push their own agenda. That first linked footage isn't a 'vigil' to her at all.

The police were shit as well, the whole thing was so badly planned on their part, and you cannot help but make comparisons to the Rangers fans celebrations last week.

But this whole thing must be awful for her family to witness, all this happening 'in Sarah's name'.

whataboutbob · 14/03/2021 13:41

I have no idea who sisters uncut are but I can say things so far today have been heartfelt and respectful.

Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 13:41

@Juliesipadwillcallyouback

How dare Sisters Uncut use the murder of Sarah Everard to push their own agenda. That first linked footage isn't a 'vigil' to her at all.

The police were shit as well, the whole thing was so badly planned on their part, and you cannot help but make comparisons to the Rangers fans celebrations last week.

But this whole thing must be awful for her family to witness, all this happening 'in Sarah's name'.

I agree with this. Some of the banners etc were premade with anti police sentiment, not the time or place under the guise of a vigil.
Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 13:45

@whataboutbob

I have no idea who sisters uncut are but I can say things so far today have been heartfelt and respectful.
There is plenty online if you wanted to look into them. I agree with many of their aims, but not others, will leave you to guess which ones might be contradictory.
HDDD · 14/03/2021 13:46

I've read first hand accounts of women saying they attended a peaceful and respectful vigil. And accounts saying there was some gobshite male covid denier on the bandstand moaning about not being able to see his friends. And a loud male drummer. And videos of men antagonising the cops. It hijacked by those with an agenda. I was furious before this - my rage is now off the scale.

ForeverFaithless · 14/03/2021 13:52

Why did the thread about the fundraiser get zapped?

whataboutbob · 14/03/2021 13:52

There will always be people with agendas and quite possibly mental health issues too who latch on to grass roots movements. I feel in this case the critical mass of people across all ages, class, race who are fed up of violence against women is big enough to drive change.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/03/2021 13:53

The police were too heavy-handed.

Sisters Uncut et al turned a peaceful vigil into an anti-police protest.

SquirmOfEels · 14/03/2021 13:58

The Met left those commemorating Sarah alone all day until about 7pm, and then again today (as there is a constant stream today too)

So what was different about the time from about 7pm onwards? It wasn't that there was a gathering, that had started at about 5:30. It wasn't the silence and applause, or the size of the crowd at that time.

Perhaps it was the increasing numbers? (people were still streaming on to the Common at 7ish and that the crowd had become so densely packed that it was impassable) and that there was a lot of chanting?(loud speaking/singing being an extra covid risk).

It wasn't a vigil that was dispersed, it was a protest

andyoldlabour · 14/03/2021 14:00

Where were the police last week, when tens of thousands of Glasgow Rangers fans were celebrating outside the stadium, non of whom were wearing masks or social distancing?

HDDD · 14/03/2021 14:02

Oh yes, also read about a speech that was made from the bandstand that would be prejudicial, and I think it was live streamed too. You can argue that the police were too heavy handed and also that they were right to shut something down that would mean an unfair trial and lack of justice for Sarah's family. A big effing mess.

Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 14:23

@HDDD

Oh yes, also read about a speech that was made from the bandstand that would be prejudicial, and I think it was live streamed too. You can argue that the police were too heavy handed and also that they were right to shut something down that would mean an unfair trial and lack of justice for Sarah's family. A big effing mess.
This is a very good point. Many on twitter also making bold statements about his guilt, I don't care about him but people need to be mindful of the potential implications on the trial of doing so. Also lots of commentary about how they should have charged him with the IE allegations- but it's very unlikely it would have even been looked at yet. People should be angry with the government for underfunding imo, that plays a big part in it, and without sufficient numbers of staff, nought will change institutionally to uphold the protection of women.
EsmaCannonball · 14/03/2021 14:53

There's a vigil for a woman who, in all likelihood, may not have been murdered had the police investigated the earlier sex crimes of the accused, and there's a very vocal minority at that vigil who not only believe it's wrong to imprison her murderer, not only wrong that he's been arrested in the first place, but that nasty old white carceral feminists deserve a good thumping for being meanies to murderers.

The state of modern academia is very troubling and so out of touch with how people really live their lives.

PicsInRed · 14/03/2021 15:00

So what was different about the time from about 7pm onwards?

It was night time. Good girls are home at night, right?

It's this revolting attitude which led to the police feeling more comfortable goading, harassing and assaulting the women who remained. Perhaps they thought there would be less "connected" women in the night crowd, perhaps they thought the public would sympathise less with the "night shift". On that point, they mis-read the room terribly.

partyatthepalace · 14/03/2021 15:01

Utterly utterly tone deaf....

For any posters who may not know Clapham Common is massive, lots of space for a distanced vigil

PicsInRed · 14/03/2021 15:01

Also, is it just me, or is the continued leaking of information about the suspect by the police seemingly intentional - to ensure that he escapes justice?

Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 15:03

@PicsInRed

Also, is it just me, or is the continued leaking of information about the suspect by the police seemingly intentional - to ensure that he escapes justice?
What do you mean?