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Clapham Common

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FindTheTruth · 14/03/2021 04:47

Awful scenes Sarah Everard's vigil in Clapham Common last night. Women came to mourn and protest in peace.

The bandstand before
twitter.com/SistersUncut/status/1370847160770699266

The bandstand after
twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1370819072368246786

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Soontobe60 · 14/03/2021 15:13

That first clip shows a protest, not a vigil. I bet Sarah’s parents are absolutely disgusted that the murder of their daughter was turned into a political points scoring exercise. Shame on those who were protesting. Last night was not the time or place to do so.
For all of those who took time out to peacefully pay their respects to Sarah, thank you.

SunsetBeetch · 14/03/2021 15:45

@Sansaplans

The vigil during the day was respectful, sisters uncut couldn't have an agenda, could they?
Quite.

twitter.com/i/status/1371082324100648962

TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate · 14/03/2021 16:11

Police took the knee at Black Lives Matter protests earlier this year and the recent policing of the football crowd celebrations by Rangers in Scotland were excused to a large degree.

The policing of this event by the Met was so high profile you would have thought that they would have done everything that they could to avoid scenes like last night.

stumbledin · 14/03/2021 16:18

Quite a few of the local events and the Clapham events were targetted by the SWP, Sisters Uncut and Women's Strike.

All of them have a polical practice which is to piggy back on events where it is likely to be easy to provoke the police. This isn't to say I am an out and out police supporter but because of their "rules" they fall into the trap every time.

Nice respectful vigil. Nobody getting gobby. Then some people decide there should be speeches (the original planned vigil didn't include this). People cant hear. They crowd forward. Police think crowd control. They ask someone sitting down to move. They dont. After the 4th or 5th time (in the rule book) they arrest the non compliant person. Who goes floppy. Standard street protest tactics. The individual is a woman and everyone is shocked to see what are normal police tactics for someone who goes floppy. But not floppy enough to stop her raising her head so that a good photo can be taken. She is later released having given her name and address.

In the spirit of the event and to prevent people being crushed why wouldn't you just move? Because you have an agenda as part of women's strike. You also happen to be an aspiring actress easy to trace on a quick casting web site. And you are a member of Women's Strike. (See other thread where someone is making out she is a hero)

And they know that the MSM love it. The photo op. The screaming headlines. We have these empty rituals all the time.

But these entryist groups have got what they want. Their agenda is now the main talking point policing. And even though that overlaps with women's safety the vigil was to protest male violence, on the street, in the home and so on.

So now the organisers are pushed into making a statement about policing.

So just as they got trapped on twitter into saying all money raised would only go to trans inclusive groups (thereby excluding those women's refuges, rape crisis centres and BME groups that are women only) they have now had to expand their position to include one on policing.

This is about confrontational male politics. However well intentioned the orginal group was, if you are politically niave and or believe that all women are behaving without malice (except "terfs" or course who you are allowed to disbelieve) in no time at all your uniquely woman based group has its focus dissappated. (Think WEP and others)

Women still haven't learnt or perfected a way of organsing that gives women a voice but doesn't follow male patterned confrontation.

And I am not sure if there is any postive way forward from this as so many have reacted to the image of a woman being manhandled by the police. And the MSM is pushing this and now politicians are feeling they have to comment as well.

Footnote: Women's Stike by the way is the new name for what was Wages for Housework. WfH were notorious for acting like cuckoos is women's groups. They even put out a press statement once claiming that a national Women's Liberation Conference was their conference. They helped break up what had been Greenham Common Women.

SunsetBeetch · 14/03/2021 16:39

Absolutely sickening stumbledin

Have a feeling we're in for months of protests turning into riots again...

Helleofabore · 14/03/2021 16:40

Thanks Stumbedin.

Figured something was shonky when I saw they were an actress and happened to have such a perfect photo opportunity. Rather shameful to do this at a vigil.

Sansaplans · 14/03/2021 16:46

Police took the knee at Black Lives Matter protests earlier this year

But there was also much criticism of the police then for dispersing people, I don't know why people don't remember this? Or is it selective to push an agenda.

And not surprising the woman in the nicely posed photo made the error of saying transwomen when they must have meant transmen if referring to females. Her interview didn't mention a vigil for who it was intended for at all really, sad.

Datun · 14/03/2021 16:53

This why mumsnet is so valuable. Women talking together, sharing information and coming to credible conclusions. Conclusions which are often much more nuanced than those of MSM.

As a resource for up to date and trustworthy information, it's second to none.

FindTheTruth · 14/03/2021 19:16

Thanks @Soontobe60 @stumbledin , I confess I didn't know any of this and places a massive FWR truth lens over the whole mess

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SantaNameChange · 14/03/2021 19:37

This isn't just about Sarah; she was the final straw.

Just like George Floyd.

Women have had enough. Our voices will be heard.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2021 23:12

Thank you, stumbledin. Unpleasant to read, but all makes sense.

littlbrowndog · 14/03/2021 23:37

Stumbledin

Great post.

Sums it up

stumbledin · 14/03/2021 23:39

Just to make clear I wasn't actually there but put together different bits of info from facebook ie if you just check who is posting something and they have a big logo of a particular group I think it is legitimate to say they support that group!

But from a facebook friend who was there she said earlier it was really good (in a sad way) but later on the mood changed, people turning up with placards and hand held loud speakers. Not forgetting this was meant to be a vigil not a political rally.

And then more police also turned up. This could be because they also monitor SM so if they see SWP or whoever are saying we are on the way, no doubt some alarm goes off and the snatch squad are sent out.

If it wasn't about such a terrible tragedy you could almost laugh at the predicatable outcome.

What is interesting is how the main stream media are saying the police have behaved badly whereas if it had been the usual grubby male Black Bloc they would have been talking about public flogging.

Is this because the MSM really cares about women, or through the gender stereotype lens the image of a woman being manhandled, or that they think women are just emotional apolitical things who would never be part of some sort of political organising?!

ErrolTheDragon · 14/03/2021 23:49

Sisters uncut appear to have included someone who was convicted of nine rapes of two little girls among their list of women who died in prison or police custody.

twitter.com/NastySmurfette/status/1371183382298824712

LangClegsInSpace · 15/03/2021 00:44

Earlier this evening I started watching the livestream from last night that was on Subject Access's youtube channel. I just tried to go back to it after a break and the video is now private. Does anybody know why?

EsmaCannonball · 15/03/2021 01:05

There are people associating themselves with groups like Sisters Uncut all over Twitter right now, demanding that any money raised doesn't go to any groups that support carceral feminism. They have more venom for women who want rapists and murderers locked up than they do for male rapists and murderers. This was never about Sarah Everard for them. They actually want her murderer walking the streets, unpunished and free to murder again. It's pretty impossible to distinguish them from the most extreme incel and MRA agitators right now. Everything they want benefits the worst kind of men and everything they do turns their anger on women.

LangClegsInSpace · 15/03/2021 01:26

The footage is back up now.

FindTheTruth · 15/03/2021 03:53

[quote ErrolTheDragon]Sisters uncut appear to have included someone who was convicted of nine rapes of two little girls among their list of women who died in prison or police custody.

twitter.com/NastySmurfette/status/1371183382298824712[/quote]
so.... enabling the patriarchy

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SquirmOfEels · 15/03/2021 06:09

But from a facebook friend who was there she said earlier it was really good (in a sad way) but later on the mood changed, people turning up with placards and hand held loud speakers. Not forgetting this was meant to be a vigil not a political rally

This matches local experience of locals/regular Common users.

And then more police also turned up. This could be because they also monitor SM so if they see SWP or whoever are saying we are on the way, no doubt some alarm goes off and the snatch squad are sent out

They had been in situ, in case, since about 5 ish, but remained in their vans until roughly 6.40.

A time when people were still streaming in to the Common, an area which had been reasonable distanced became full and then packed, and the whole mood of the crowd changed - it was a protest not a vigil by then

People are cross that the vigil,was hijacked.

SunsetBeetch · 15/03/2021 08:30

"A man in the crowd touched me and my friend on the shoulder telling us to ‘shout louder’ & making us unbelievably uncomfortable, while a man behind us stood with a beer as if this was a casual Saturday evening for him. A night to honour Sarah made uncomfortable by men & police."

twitter.com/RosengardL/status/1370828270644699138?s=20

Clapham Common
Terranean · 15/03/2021 08:43

@Sansaplans

@PicsInRed
Also, is it just me, or is the continued leaking of information about the suspect by the police seemingly intentional - to ensure that he escapes justice?”
What do you mean?’

I have read that the leaking of key information about the state of the remains, etc. Might prejudice the case as it has happened to others and a trial would not be possible because it won’t be a fair trial due ti the amount of information out in the public domain.

Sansaplans · 15/03/2021 08:59

[quote Terranean]@Sansaplans

@PicsInRed
Also, is it just me, or is the continued leaking of information about the suspect by the police seemingly intentional - to ensure that he escapes justice?”
What do you mean?’

I have read that the leaking of key information about the state of the remains, etc. Might prejudice the case as it has happened to others and a trial would not be possible because it won’t be a fair trial due ti the amount of information out in the public domain.[/quote]
It's not uncommon for info like this to be released. It's after a suspect has been charged that they need to tighten the info that's released, on this case now he has been charged (which was after that info was released) it's unlikely there will be any further updates from the investigation until the trial.

Terranean · 15/03/2021 10:32

Thanks for clarifying @Sansaplans

Thecatonthemat · 15/03/2021 11:06

As soon as men arrived there was bound to be fighting. They love it...police or SWP Or TRAs. If it had been women only none of this would have happened and it would have been a peaceful vigil commemorating Sarah and all women affected by male violence. No we do not trust men.

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