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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is why I love Jess Phillips

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QuentinWinters · 11/03/2021 11:17

We had a thread recently where she was getting kicked for her TWAW public view.
She does lots for women and girls, I'm glad someone makes sure the victims of malevolence are remembered and officially covered in Parliament
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56357796

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Barracker · 11/03/2021 11:35

Women must be enabled to live safe from male violence, she says, ushering men into women's spaces and castigating women for resisting it.

You cannot both decry male violence and facilitate it.
You cannot both raise up women's defences, and still punish those who would defend themselves.

What would Jess say to a woman who was made a victim of a man, if that man's identity gained him access to her, and Jess the protagonist who argued for that to be facilitated?

If you sacrifice the truth you lose everything. You cannot trade off one woman's life for another. Make one woman safer, at the cost of endangering others. Bargain for the safety of some women, paid for with the concession that others are placed at risk.

Jess perhaps thinks this is a numbers game. That she can negotiate for a limited number of men to have the right to destroy women's boundaries, by exempting only them from her loud objections to the other men who do it.

Only a fool would not realise that to argue against any woman's boundaries means you are endangering all women.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 11/03/2021 11:45

What Barracker said ⬆️

teawamutu · 11/03/2021 11:50

I concur - especially this bit:
Jess perhaps thinks this is a numbers game. That she can negotiate for a limited number of men to have the right to destroy women's boundaries, by exempting only them from her loud objections to the other men who do it.

You're not standing for women's rights if you're prepared to accept some women will be collateral damage. Especially if the collateral damage won't be you.

terryleather · 11/03/2021 11:51

Yup, Barracker calls it.

MaMaLa321 · 11/03/2021 11:56

As above. With bells on. Honestly, she just seems terribly unaware of the implications of TWAW.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 11/03/2021 12:01

As Barracker says.

It feels inappropriate to decry violence against women and girls and yet be part of the forces that are deconstructing the safeguarding and conventions that do exist to protect women and girls.

I'm tired of us expected to be so profoundly grateful for crumbs - like JP, like the HoL discussion.

dworky · 11/03/2021 12:03

She should be thoroughly ashamed of herself.

langclegflavoredbananamush · 11/03/2021 12:05

Barracker so fucking spot on

PronounssheRa · 11/03/2021 12:06

Everything Barracker said

PronounssheRa · 11/03/2021 12:09

Honestly, she just seems terribly unaware of the implications of TWAW.

I think she is totally aware but is too scared to call it out.

Melroses · 11/03/2021 12:12

I love what Jess does.

What she does puts her in an excellent position to understand the implications.

What Barraker says. I wait.

felineflutter · 11/03/2021 12:14

Barraker Star

Datun · 11/03/2021 12:18

Nailed it Barracker.

It's what used to be called lip service.

PlanDeRaccordement · 11/03/2021 12:21

I do not like Jess Phillips at all. She comes across as very rude, entitled and intolerant. For example, she thinks it’s funny to joke about knife violence and stabbing other MPs.

RedDogsBeg · 11/03/2021 12:24

@teawamutu

I concur - especially this bit: Jess perhaps thinks this is a numbers game. That she can negotiate for a limited number of men to have the right to destroy women's boundaries, by exempting only them from her loud objections to the other men who do it.

You're not standing for women's rights if you're prepared to accept some women will be collateral damage. Especially if the collateral damage won't be you.

Barracker's words and this from teawamutu a thousand times.
Helmetbymidnight · 11/03/2021 12:37

I like her - I think she must be experiencing huuuuggeee cognitive dissonance, and I hope she will speak out soon.

QuentinWinters · 11/03/2021 12:54

I'm tired of us expected to be so profoundly grateful for crumbs - like JP, like the HoL discussion.
I'm not grateful for crumbs. But crumbs are better than starving. Most female MPs say precisely nothing of any relevance at all.
Plus, the vitriol for a woman saying TWAW seems a lot worse than men get for saying the same. Its a sexist double standard to expect different behaviour from women MPs.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 11/03/2021 12:57

barracker Star

PurpleWh1teGreen · 11/03/2021 12:57

Jess frustrates me because I don't believe for a nanosecond that she actually believes that TWAW. It is just expedient to her role of being Jess Phillips.

That said, she was great on the Today Programme this morning, unlike that daft professor.

MaudTheInvincible · 11/03/2021 13:01

Plus, the vitriol for a woman saying TWAW seems a lot worse than men get for saying the same. Its a sexist double standard to expect different behaviour from women MPs.

It's the sense of being betrayed that causes that vitriol. No one like a traitor.

MaMaLa321 · 11/03/2021 13:07

Plus, the vitriol for a woman saying TWAW seems a lot worse than men get for saying the same. Its a sexist double standard to expect different behaviour from women MPs.

Strange that it only seems to inhibit Left wing Mps

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 11/03/2021 13:08

I'm not grateful for crumbs. But crumbs are better than starving.

When I'm asked to be grateful for crumbs, I know that someone else is asserting their right to restrict my access to something and displaying a remarkable poverty of imagination for how things can be better.

It's a very personal example but we've had the DDA for 30 yrs. I've had to learn to check my reactions when people make a huge kerfuffle if I ask for an accommodation such as a video call rather than a phone call (I'm deaf). I'm grateful on a reflex if people agree when it should be common - and people should know so much more about how to speak to deaf people.

On a reflex, if I ask why something isn't captioned or subtitled, people tell me that they don't have too legally and it would cost too much. If I ask to see the audit they did to check this, it never exists. If I ask people who their accessibility champion is (in large organisations) they never know.

Every time I'm grateful or willing to settle for the sub-optimal, I'm doing reinforcing the current status rather than establishing a normal that is accessible by default.

QuentinWinters · 11/03/2021 13:08

It's the sense of being betrayed that causes that vitriol. No one like a traitor.
See from my perspective, its more that standard sexism where men are respected and there individual opinions tolerated, where women are expected to behave in ways others expect and castigated when they don't.

Jess' opinion that TWAW is common, probably the prevailing position in the HoC and yet we throw the baby out with the bathwater and discount everything she says because she's not a good enough feminist as she has a different opinion to us Hmm

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Sexnotgender · 11/03/2021 13:09

@Whatsnewpussyhat

What Barracker said ⬆️
Exactly.
Annasgirl · 11/03/2021 13:09

@Barracker , nailed it as always.