Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

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1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons

1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am

1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

BitOfFun Harry's case is To Be Continued tomorrow...

No Harry outcome till tomorrow I'm afraid @BitOfFun

Lord Hunt tweet on FPFW ONS win:

I expect the implications of this will go far and wide. Many public bodies will need to reconsider their policies

The trending hashtag on twitter is pathetic. No argument, as per, just hastags, slogans and memes. Wow, I'm definitely persuaded of the error of my ways now

If screenshots are taken, might this come back to bite the TRAs in the bum? They are actually evidencing what Glinner and Helen are claiming.

Thanks so much .

stuckinatrap
"The Gay issue was also a straw man and I wish Helen or Graham had actually been able to face it head on (I'm not surprised they didn't, though). The parallel is not a fair one and, actually, the more similar scenario would be gay men and lesbians being thrown off platforms while leaving up the homophobic bullying rather than what he was trying to suggest - which is banning the homophobes.

"The issue is - again - definitions. If SM platforms don't get to the absolute definition of what constitutes real transphobia, then it is always open to interpretation and giving in to cries of hurt feelings."

I thought this would have been a great point in the session to elucidate the distinction between criticising ideas and criticising people. It is entirely possible to criticise, even quite harshly, an idea or philosophy or ideology without getting into personal criticism or attacks. The trouble is that it is convenient to elide these two, if you want to silence a critic by claiming a personal attack. It is something I notice amongst certain groups of activists in general. They get more leverage by claiming hurt from a personal attack (even when it wasn't) than by defending their arguments and positions.

It's like Maya says: people always deserve respect (at least as a starting point). Ideas never desreve respect. They are - or should be - all open to robust challenge.

Just bought Glinner a coffee. They both did well today.

Who was the gentleman coaching his question in a leading fashion to Graham? The one who seemed to be insinuating that there was no smoke without fire in regard to Glinner being banned from several platforms?

Couching, sorry.

@testingmitb

Who was the gentleman coaching his question in a leading fashion to Graham? The one who seemed to be insinuating that there was no smoke without fire in regard to Glinner being banned from several platforms?

I don't know, but I've heard he doesn't indicate at roundabouts

Eh?

Daily Mail have covered FPFW

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9343075/High-Court-judge-orders-guidance-Census-sex-question-rewritten.html

My rubbish attempt at a joke, testing!

Wow, so much good stuff happening at the moment!

I love, really love, being able to support people like Glinner for what they are doing for women. It's like my hobby 😀.

I put some money in for coffee, makes a change from digging 😉

I've never trusted the twitter trending algorithm. It has that Glinner hashtag, which has increased by a few hundred tweets in the last hour trending higher than the tens of thousands of various tweets about Piers Morgan than have happened in the last 20 minutes.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/09/uk-census-guidance-answer-sex-question-must-rewritten-high-court/

I want to high 5 everyone

Thanks @StPaulsCathedral for the Glinner link. Thank you @glinner for your voice.

Is there any way to dig for Helen too?

@littlebillie

I want to high 5 everyone

High fives billie

🖐

I’ve just explained what’s been going on with this ti DH. He was puzzled and then appalled

“But but what’s the point of doing the census if you don’t get accurate data?”

He’s up for donating yo future crowd funders 😁

This is great news! They were brilliant. Another coffee in.

You can thank Glinner directly
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4187670-My-statement-in-the-House-of-Lords-today

Yeah, I went on Twitter to see about that glinner trending hashtag. Very little use of it, about 2k uses and when I clicked through I saw two main categories of tweet as in the pic attached. Bizarre to be in Trending.

Meanwhile #Census2021 is all over the place but is not in their "Trending"

The lack of transparency coupled with such odd results does make it look like a deliberate attempt by Twitter to shape public opinion