Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

[Xanthangum]

1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons

1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am

1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

Is there a way to watch FPFW proceedings?

I don't think so. The document below shows the cases being heard today, FPFW are before Mr Justice Swift.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/967433/Admin_court_london_list_090321_UPDATED.pdf

Judge in charge of the Administrative Court Mr Justice Swift (same Judge as MoJ prisons case I think)

the tweets above are from FPFW

Well it's going ahead after technical issues. Permission for live tweeting granted. I don't intend to just copy everything being said, but I will try and put important highlights up

Sorry @findthetruth you beat me to it!

Claimants Counsel sets out the legal arguments.
Census law mandates citizens to answer "What is your sex" according to their legal sex (birth or acquired by GRC).

Guidance conflates and confuses the concepts of sex and gender identity /3

JC explains that the Guidance says sex on passport and other documents is not legal sex. Gender markers can be updated according to self-declared gender identity and NOT legal sex /4

Are there #'s to follow for updates or live tweeting??

Thanks Xanthangum. I'm lurking in the background, as ever.

@Numicon

Are there #'s to follow for updates or live tweeting??

#FPFWvONS nothing from in court yet though

#FPFWvONSCensus

*In 2016 ONS said in its research paper "sex, as biologically determined, is one of the most important variables collected.. it is critical that data collected for gender identity does not adversely impact sex data"

This is the claimants case. That is now does.*

Wow. How are they going to defend expressly contradicting their own research?

Explaining how small misclassifications of males as females can have large distorting effects on female stats. Gives examples regarding crime, education and employment. /5

In 2016 ONS said in its research paper "sex, as biologically determined, is one of the most important variables collected.. it is critical that data collected for gender identity does not adversely impact sex data"

This is the claimants case. That is now does. /6

In the ONS Equality Impact Assessment the defendant emphasises the importance of collecting accurate data on sex. /7

Explaining how small misclassifications of males as females can have large distorting effects on female stats. Gives examples regarding crime, education and employment. /5

In 2016 ONS said in its research paper "sex, as biologically determined, is one of the most important variables collected.. it is critical that data collected for gender identity does not adversely impact sex data"

This is the claimants case. That is now does. /6

In the ONS Equality Impact Assessment the defendant emphasises the importance of collecting accurate data on sex. /7

cross post sorry @AdHominemNonSequitur

JC touches on Iain Bells claim of 'lengthy process of evaluation' that led to the guidance. But points out that Ian Diamond (head of ONS) said on BBC Radio 4 on 28th January it would be legal sex. Plus Bell himself wrote to Prof Sullivan saying ONS had "settled on legal sex" /8

Don't apologise for cross posts. Post what you can, we get it

(someone on twitter saying that the ONS Defence Counsel: Sir James Edie QC is a very high powered counsel, so ONS must be taking it seriously)

@FindTheTruth

cross post sorry *@AdHominemNonSequitur*

No bother. Want to coordinate? You go, and i'll take over at 11.30?

I'm sure there are a number of groups of people that quite fancy not filling in the census, bereaved parents for example, being reminded of lost children, or women who are trying to keep their whereabouts secret for safety reasons (I don't know if they get any special accommodation for census purposes?).

This has come about because a group of people threatened to break the law and not complete the census unless the census was changed specifically to accommodate their exact wishes with the result of knowingly undermining the quality of data generated by a billion £ project - just unbelievable.

ok I'll post until 11:30 thanks all

The mess we're in, because of an intransigent, secretive lobby group.

So at end of January ONS position was that Guidance should refer to legal sex (birth and GRC only). But when guidance published on 12th Feb is said something different. No explanation from defendant about what changed this fundamental change of position /9

and the undermining of the data quality will adversely affect all of us, including the people that wanted the census changed to suit them.